It's the same old story

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2008, 12:32 AM

Henk, that was an etch with sulphuric acid, not a stain with sulphur.

You can get some sort of a result with just about any acid, nitric is probably the best result from an acid, but its horrible stuff to use, and I would not recommend it.

The sulphur stain job that I did years and years ago was powder sulphur mixed to a paste. The description in the book called for it to be wrapped in a banana leaf, but I wrapped it in plastic.The process took about a week.

I've had a look for that book, but its not in my book cases, which means it is in a cardboard box in my garage. I forget the name, but it was by an Englishman, it was an Oxford University Press reprint, and it has red dust covers.I'll locate it one day.

Rick · 21st August 2008, 08:49 PM

Well, I had at the Ganja Iras with the Ferric .
It took a couple of tries and the effect may be the reverse of what it might be if traditionally stained ...

I just wanted to see the pamor .

Marcokeris · 21st August 2008, 09:35 PM

Rick
It seems a bendo segodo/uler lulut pamor.....but....it's like a negative picture!!

Rick · 21st August 2008, 09:40 PM

That's what I meant to illustrate; maybe the positive effect shown ( see bottom picture) would be caused by Arsenic .

With Arsenic the iron goes black instead of the result I got with ferric .

I see uler lulut (albeit a loose one) Marco .

Of course if this keris is Balinese the pamor may be called differently there .

Marcokeris · 21st August 2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Of course if this keris is Balinese the pamor may be called differently there .

Rante

,Sapta Resi

Rick · 21st August 2008, 09:58 PM

I meant there may be a Balinese word or term for this pamor rather than Javanese .

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2008, 12:22 AM

Rick, you have still darkened the ferric material, exactly as you would have had you used warangan, the difference is that it is simply not as dark.

I've made damascus blades that incorporated mild steel + 01 + nickel, and I've stained them with ferric chloride. The end result is very similar to what we see in a keris blade.

If the pamor is high phosphorus content iron, then you're going to get a dark grey, light grey effect from ferric chloride, but if there is nickelous content, the nickel bearing material will still not be effected by the ferric chloride.

21st August 2008, 08:49 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Well, I had at the Ganja Iras with the Ferric . It took a couple of tries and the effect may be the reverse of what it might be if traditionally stained ... I just wanted to see the pamor . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 21st August 2008 at 09:35 PM.

21st August 2008, 09:40 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	That's what I meant to illustrate; maybe the positive effect shown ( see bottom picture) would be caused by Arsenic . With Arsenic the iron goes black instead of the result I got with ferric . I see uler lulut (albeit a loose one) Marco . Of course if this keris is Balinese the pamor may be called differently there . Last edited by Rick; 21st August 2008 at 09:53 PM. Reason: I think I've got this right , now .......

13th August 2008, 12:32 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Henk, that was an etch with sulphuric acid, not a stain with sulphur. You can get some sort of a result with just about any acid, nitric is probably the best result from an acid, but its horrible stuff to use, and I would not recommend it. The sulphur stain job that I did years and years ago was powder sulphur mixed to a paste. The description in the book called for it to be wrapped in a banana leaf, but I wrapped it in plastic.The process took about a week. I've had a look for that book, but its not in my book cases, which means it is in a cardboard box in my garage. I forget the name, but it was by an Englishman, it was an Oxford University Press reprint, and it has red dust covers.I'll locate it one day.

21st August 2008, 09:35 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Rick It seems a bendo segodo/uler lulut pamor.....but....it's like a negative picture!!

21st August 2008, 09:58 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	I meant there may be a Balinese word or term for this pamor rather than Javanese .

22nd August 2008, 12:22 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Rick, you have still darkened the ferric material, exactly as you would have had you used warangan, the difference is that it is simply not as dark. I've made damascus blades that incorporated mild steel + 01 + nickel, and I've stained them with ferric chloride. The end result is very similar to what we see in a keris blade. If the pamor is high phosphorus content iron, then you're going to get a dark grey, light grey effect from ferric chloride, but if there is nickelous content, the nickel bearing material will still not be effected by the ferric chloride.