is it possible for blood/flesh to remain on a blade for over a century....

chevalier · 22nd July 2008, 02:23 AM

in keeping with the subtopic

is the "spear of longinus' one and the same as the "antioch arrow/lance" the crusaders found during the seige of antioch???

chevalier · 22nd July 2008, 02:28 AM

..and yes, i took the quote from a wikipedia page on the arms of skanderbeg.

ive been interested in surviving arms of kings/chiefs/military commanders in europe and elsewhere.

Jim McDougall · 22nd July 2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chevalier

..and yes, i took the quote from a wikipedia page on the arms of skanderbeg.

ive been interested in surviving arms of kings/chiefs/military commanders in europe and elsewhere.

Busy minds are happy minds!

What the heck did we ever do before computers!!! Back in the old days I could never have imagined all this info at my fingertips.

Andrew · 22nd July 2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Busy minds are happy minds!

What the heck did we ever do before computers!!! Back in the old days I could never have imagined all this info at my fingertips.

Yes, but you did have papyrus available to you back then, didn't you, Jim?

Jim McDougall · 22nd July 2008, 05:06 PM

LOL!!! (as I try not to lose the swallow of soda on my keyboard!!!

That was good Andrew!!! I guess it has been a couple of years.
Thank you, that made my week!

Thank you Mark for the info on these spearheads, I really didn't know there were a number of them.

While this information is of course readily available online to all of us, I think it is great when material on a topic is compiled by someone into data that can be reviewed and discussed. This way we all learn together! (I know I keep saying that, but to me thats what its all about).

Thank you guys

Atlantia · 22nd July 2008, 11:06 PM

The whole lance thing is a bit of a shame really. Of all of the purported Jesus relics, its the one that 'could' possibly have survived in reasonable order.
Well, and the nails of course, but even one of them makes an appearance as a 'guest star' in the Spear legends.
If memory serves, none are earlier than 3rd C. Still I'd like to have a Roman or Byzantine spear, so I'd not kick any of them out the door.

The 'real' one would be a sweet addition to a collection! Not many weapons have 'slain a god'.
Of course, in that 'parrallel universe', I'd swap it in a heartbeat for Excalibur!

chevalier · 23rd July 2008, 01:59 AM

heres the weapon i thought about bidding on with the purported "blood" on it....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230270071036

it stayed at 99 dollars until the last half hour or so of the auction.........i REALLY am at a loss as to how or why the price rose THAT MUCH in the last 20 or so minutes of the auction........i doubt this peice is worth that much......

Mark · 22nd July 2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chevalier

in keeping with the subtopic

is the "spear of longinus' one and the same as the "antioch arrow/lance" the crusaders found during the seige of antioch???

Apparently not. Again, Wikipedia to the rescue (search "longinus spear").

According to that august authority, there are no less than three spears (in four different places): the "Vatican" spear (the tip of which is in Paris), the "Echmiadzin" spear (the one from Antioch, now in Armenia), and the "Vienna" spear (the one in this thread). The Vienna spear has been dated to no earlier than the 7th C, so it seems that it is the least likely of the three to be genuine.

22nd July 2008, 02:23 AM	#1
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	in keeping with the subtopic is the "spear of longinus' one and the same as the "antioch arrow/lance" the crusaders found during the seige of antioch???

22nd July 2008, 02:28 AM	#2
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	..and yes, i took the quote from a wikipedia page on the arms of skanderbeg. ive been interested in surviving arms of kings/chiefs/military commanders in europe and elsewhere.

22nd July 2008, 05:06 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,671	LOL!!! (as I try not to lose the swallow of soda on my keyboard!!! That was good Andrew!!! I guess it has been a couple of years. Thank you, that made my week! Thank you Mark for the info on these spearheads, I really didn't know there were a number of them. While this information is of course readily available online to all of us, I think it is great when material on a topic is compiled by someone into data that can be reviewed and discussed. This way we all learn together! (I know I keep saying that, but to me thats what its all about). Thank you guys

22nd July 2008, 11:06 PM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	The whole lance thing is a bit of a shame really. Of all of the purported Jesus relics, its the one that 'could' possibly have survived in reasonable order. Well, and the nails of course, but even one of them makes an appearance as a 'guest star' in the Spear legends. If memory serves, none are earlier than 3rd C. Still I'd like to have a Roman or Byzantine spear, so I'd not kick any of them out the door. The 'real' one would be a sweet addition to a collection! Not many weapons have 'slain a god'. Of course, in that 'parrallel universe', I'd swap it in a heartbeat for Excalibur!

23rd July 2008, 01:59 AM	#7
chevalier Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 119	heres the weapon i thought about bidding on with the purported "blood" on it.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230270071036 it stayed at 99 dollars until the last half hour or so of the auction.........i REALLY am at a loss as to how or why the price rose THAT MUCH in the last 20 or so minutes of the auction........i doubt this peice is worth that much......