Barung --- Origin?

Maurice · 20th July 2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

This example shows fairly diminuitive beak and plume .

Thanks Rick for showing that picture. I like the silver braided wire on yours above the silver ferrule. And your tagub is in better shape.

Rick · 20th July 2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Maurice

Thanks Rick for showing that picture. I like the silver braided wire on yours above the silver ferrule. And your tagub is in better shape.

Hi Maurice, that is not woven silver wire; it's cord (for good grip) that seems to have been coated with green lac of some sort .

kronckew · 20th July 2008, 06:32 PM

the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique:

Kris hilt

Maurice · 20th July 2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique:
Kris hilt

Tnx for the picture !

kai · 20th July 2008, 10:33 PM

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the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique

Yup. It's the traditional way to attach halves of scabbards and other parts like pommels so it's bound to be also utilized in other/later applications.

MOP is too brittle so pins must be made from other materials.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 20th July 2008, 11:04 PM

Kai to answer your question, mine is probably Tausug. I suspect that Maurice's is also based on the curve of the upper tail part (what's left) and the curve of the beak. Yakans are completely different and Samal are shorter and more abrupt in the okir. The only other possibility might be Tawi-Tawi or even (though more remotely) Borneo Moros.

One other note, I don't think this is a fighter piece. Ususally fighter's are not as ornately decorated due to battle conditions but are plainer.

On my tagub, it was originally in pieces - I had to do a lot of restoration in putting all the pieces together and even carving new parts to match. Below is a picture of the scabbard before I repaired it:

Rick · 20th July 2008, 11:30 PM

That would probably make this one Tausug too ?

Lord I miss the late 90's on eBay .

Battara · 21st July 2008, 12:13 AM

Rick, your's might be although I might be inclined to say early Samal influence due to the type of okir design used on the tagub and angle of the top of the pommel, I'd have to look up some resources before I am sure.

Nice to have a complete piece, especially the tagub since these were either thrown away by later owners or broken to bits.....

20th July 2008, 11:04 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Kai to answer your question, mine is probably Tausug. I suspect that Maurice's is also based on the curve of the upper tail part (what's left) and the curve of the beak. Yakans are completely different and Samal are shorter and more abrupt in the okir. The only other possibility might be Tawi-Tawi or even (though more remotely) Borneo Moros. One other note, I don't think this is a fighter piece. Ususally fighter's are not as ornately decorated due to battle conditions but are plainer. On my tagub, it was originally in pieces - I had to do a lot of restoration in putting all the pieces together and even carving new parts to match. Below is a picture of the scabbard before I repaired it: Attached Images

20th July 2008, 11:30 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	That would probably make this one Tausug too ? Lord I miss the late 90's on eBay . Attached Images

20th July 2008, 06:32 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,250	the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique: Kris hilt

21st July 2008, 12:13 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Rick, your's might be although I might be inclined to say early Samal influence due to the type of okir design used on the tagub and angle of the top of the pommel, I'd have to look up some resources before I am sure. Nice to have a complete piece, especially the tagub since these were either thrown away by later owners or broken to bits.....