Post Prices Please!

Norman McCormick · 10th July 2008, 08:36 PM

Hi,
To possibly satisfy all parties why not have an " Offers Over " system as advocated by Radleigh, e.g. an item is advertised at Offers Over a price selected by the seller, those who are interested will know roughly what kind of price is anticipated and can offer what they want over that price, the seller can either accept immediately or set a closing date for offers i.e. a date after which no more offers are sought, and then decide which offer to accept on the proviso of course that they, the seller, is not obliged to accept the highest or indeed any offer. This is still a form of closed auction but is has been the way Scottish real estate has been sold for a very long time and seems to work well for both buyer and seller. In the case of property, of course, most people would seek independent 'expert' advice on price.
Regards,
Norman.

David · 10th July 2008, 08:56 PM

I have no authority as a moderator in this particular forum....but i do have some close friends who do.

I strongly suggest that this conversation gets civil fast or this topic might very well become one that you might only be able to discuss one-to-one in PMs.

fernando · 10th July 2008, 10:10 PM

I don't think it is so dificult to separate the waters.
After all, it is all a question of good faith. We all (i mean all) know the purpose this comunity.
It is a common event to post a piece in the main discussion Forum, to ask the opinnion of members, eventually from those more qualified in the said piece. Within the same logic, one can post a piece in the swap Forum with the intention to ask the members how much that piece is worth, according to their experience and different geographic situation ... prices are not the same in the various countries, or market areas.
This also doesn't impeach one to decide to sell the said piece, after having made such consultation.
Other than that, i don't think is reasonable to come around with articles for commercial purposes, one after the other, and instigate the members to make offers, on a permanent basis. By mentioning the term offers i am not intending to individualize the issue; i could as well mention other kind of unorthodox procedures, considering a place where profit stands ( or should stand) in the end of the priorities queue.
It's the doing this by system that is at question, not a sporadic attitude.
This to say that rules aren't necessarily what is needed here, but moderation instead. Moderators are there to diagnosis vicious processes and intervene by calling this or that person's attention with injections of common sense.
One thing is inequivocous and of general agreement; the Forum is not a business place. One can be a buyer, a seller, a non buyer or a non seller.
We all surely know in which waters we are sailing, when we come in here.
With all respect, Gentlemen
Fernando

Dajak · 10th July 2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I don't think it is so dificult to separate the waters.
After all, it is all a question of good faith. We all (i mean all) know the purpose this comunity.
It is a common event to post a piece in the main discussion Forum, to ask the opinnion of members, eventually from those more qualified in the said piece. Within the same logic, one can post a piece in the swap Forum with the intention to ask the members how much that piece is worth, according to their experience and different geographic situation ... prices are not the same in the various countries, or market areas.
This also doesn't impeach one to decide to sell the said piece, after having made such consultation.
Other than that, i don't think is reasonable to come around with articles for commercial purposes, one after the other, and instigate the members to make offers, on a permanent basis. By mentioning the term offers i am not intending to individualize the issue; i could as well mention other kind of unorthodox procedures, considering a place where profit stands ( or should stand) in the end of the priorities queue.
It's the doing this by system that is at question, not a sporadic attitude.
This to say that rules aren't necessarily what is needed here, but moderation instead. Moderators are there to diagnosis vicious processes and intervene by calling this or that person's attention with injections of common sense.
One thing is inequivocous and of general agreement; the Forum is not a business place. One can be a buyer, a seller, a non buyer or a non seller.
We all surely know in which waters we are sailing, when we come in here.

With all respect, Gentlemen

fernando

My Items are for sale or trade so you don't need money to get an Item from me .

Ben

fernando · 10th July 2008, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

My Items are for sale or trade so you don't need money to get an Item from me .
Ben

Sorry Ben, i am not adressing you in particular ... you don't need bother replying.
I wish you all the best
Met vriendelijke groeten
Fernando

Bill M · 11th July 2008, 01:10 AM

Like David and some others, I am concerned about the tone of this thread. It seems obvious that some sellers do not want to post prices. I doubt that any amount of argument will change their minds, and, truthfully it is their prerogative NOT to post prices and just ask for offers.

Personally I do not make offers unless there is a stated price, then, I may ask for maybe a 10% discount. This is my prerogative, my right.

I had a bad experience with a dealer. Not anyone who advertises here. I find it foolish that this dealer chose to antagonize someone who buys as many high end expensive pieces as I do. But he did. His mistake. I will not buy from him again. I do not make offers. But this is just me, because I had a bad experience with one person.

I see no reason as to why a seller has a "make offers", BUT if that is how they want to handle their business, that is up to them. Their right, and I think it is very much amiss (and against the overall tone of this fine Forum) that these sellers be criticized for their business policy.

Obviously this method of sales works for them.

Personally as the original poster of this thread, I think it has said about all it needs to say -- and too much more -- and I would suggest that David and his friends close it.

80 posts on this subject are enough.

Dajak · 11th July 2008, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Like David and some others, I am concerned about the tone of this thread. It seems obvious that some sellers do not want to post prices. I doubt that any amount of argument will change their minds, and, truthfully it is their prerogative NOT to post prices and just ask for offers.

Personally I do not make offers unless there is a stated price, then, I may ask for maybe a 10% discount. This is my prerogative, my right.

I had a bad experience with a dealer. Not anyone who advertises here. I find it foolish that this dealer chose to antagonize someone who buys as many high end expensive pieces as I do. But he did. His mistake. I will not buy from him again. I do not make offers. But this is just me, because I had a bad experience with one person.

I see no reason as to why a seller has a "make offers", BUT if that is how they want to handle their business, that is up to them. Their right, and I think it is very much amiss (and against the overall tone of this fine Forum) that these sellers be criticized for their business policy.

Obviously this method of sales works for them.

Personally as the original poster of this thread, I think it has said about all it needs to say -- and too much more -- and I would suggest that David and his friends close it.

80 posts on this subject are enough.

I am not concerned about the tone but what some people try to do in this thread that is what we should be not forget .

I think anyone should be able to choose offer or no offer .

Ben

Henk · 10th July 2008, 10:10 PM

David,

I do agree with you.

Gentlemen, C'est le ton qui fait la musique!! No offense, but some members do pick the wrong string. That kind of music doesn't sound very nice.

That we act like little children while collecting, ok!! But not when we are discussing on this sophisticated forum.

10th July 2008, 08:36 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	Hi, To possibly satisfy all parties why not have an " Offers Over " system as advocated by Radleigh, e.g. an item is advertised at Offers Over a price selected by the seller, those who are interested will know roughly what kind of price is anticipated and can offer what they want over that price, the seller can either accept immediately or set a closing date for offers i.e. a date after which no more offers are sought, and then decide which offer to accept on the proviso of course that they, the seller, is not obliged to accept the highest or indeed any offer. This is still a form of closed auction but is has been the way Scottish real estate has been sold for a very long time and seems to work well for both buyer and seller. In the case of property, of course, most people would seek independent 'expert' advice on price. Regards, Norman.

10th July 2008, 08:56 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I have no authority as a moderator in this particular forum....but i do have some close friends who do. I strongly suggest that this conversation gets civil fast or this topic might very well become one that you might only be able to discuss one-to-one in PMs.

10th July 2008, 10:10 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I don't think it is so dificult to separate the waters. After all, it is all a question of good faith. We all (i mean all) know the purpose this comunity. It is a common event to post a piece in the main discussion Forum, to ask the opinnion of members, eventually from those more qualified in the said piece. Within the same logic, one can post a piece in the swap Forum with the intention to ask the members how much that piece is worth, according to their experience and different geographic situation ... prices are not the same in the various countries, or market areas. This also doesn't impeach one to decide to sell the said piece, after having made such consultation. Other than that, i don't think is reasonable to come around with articles for commercial purposes, one after the other, and instigate the members to make offers, on a permanent basis. By mentioning the term offers i am not intending to individualize the issue; i could as well mention other kind of unorthodox procedures, considering a place where profit stands ( or should stand) in the end of the priorities queue. It's the doing this by system that is at question, not a sporadic attitude. This to say that rules aren't necessarily what is needed here, but moderation instead. Moderators are there to diagnosis vicious processes and intervene by calling this or that person's attention with injections of common sense. One thing is inequivocous and of general agreement; the Forum is not a business place. One can be a buyer, a seller, a non buyer or a non seller. We all surely know in which waters we are sailing, when we come in here. With all respect, Gentlemen Fernando

11th July 2008, 01:10 AM	#6
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Like David and some others, I am concerned about the tone of this thread. It seems obvious that some sellers do not want to post prices. I doubt that any amount of argument will change their minds, and, truthfully it is their prerogative NOT to post prices and just ask for offers. Personally I do not make offers unless there is a stated price, then, I may ask for maybe a 10% discount. This is my prerogative, my right. I had a bad experience with a dealer. Not anyone who advertises here. I find it foolish that this dealer chose to antagonize someone who buys as many high end expensive pieces as I do. But he did. His mistake. I will not buy from him again. I do not make offers. But this is just me, because I had a bad experience with one person. I see no reason as to why a seller has a "make offers", BUT if that is how they want to handle their business, that is up to them. Their right, and I think it is very much amiss (and against the overall tone of this fine Forum) that these sellers be criticized for their business policy. Obviously this method of sales works for them. Personally as the original poster of this thread, I think it has said about all it needs to say -- and too much more -- and I would suggest that David and his friends close it. 80 posts on this subject are enough.

10th July 2008, 10:10 PM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	David, I do agree with you. Gentlemen, C'est le ton qui fait la musique!! No offense, but some members do pick the wrong string. That kind of music doesn't sound very nice. That we act like little children while collecting, ok!! But not when we are discussing on this sophisticated forum.