Post Prices Please!

Dajak · 8th July 2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

I've noticed some "trend" here when sellers asking for offers are challenged to name their price. Well, sometimes we have an idea, an estimate, but just as at ALL major auctions - they never considered as "price" per se. The price is determined by how much someone is willing to pay! I have some fantastic swords I'd offer for sale, but I'd never list them at a fixed price. So... "... I do not see anything wrong with asking for offers. If someone is interested in an item (really wants it!), and knows enough about it in terms of comparative market value - one should be able to make an intelligent offer and to negotiate it. It is a seller's right afterall to sell anyway he/she prefers without justifying his/her selling preferences".

Alex do make a good point off it .

If I really want something I offer people money and ask them if they like it or I have to come with an better offer if I like it , and I really want it.

And to Maurice always nice to see you beside the food I will take you to the special museum next time that is the place where I did get my interest 36 years ago in collecting Indonesian stuff .
I like to hang around with an true collector like you .

Ben

ALEX · 9th July 2008, 10:49 AM

I agree with Ben, Maurice, TVV and few others - we should respect each other's selling preferences - sellers and buyers alike (and each other as well:-) - well done guys:-) No one should dictate or force no one to sell or trade according to anyone's preferences. I am not taking any sides, I am just promoting respect and equality for all members. Asking for offer is no harm in my view - forcing a seller to publicly name the price knowing that the seller prefers not to is impolite. If someone does not wish to participate in a silent auction - simply do not - no one forces you, but do not force the other side either:-)

fernando · 9th July 2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

I agree with Ben, Maurice, TVV and few others - we should respect each other's selling preferences - sellers and buyers alike (and each other as well:-) - well done guys:-) No one should dictate or force no one to sell or trade according to anyone's preferences. I am not taking any sides, I am just promoting respect and equality for all members. Asking for offer is no harm in my view - forcing a seller to publicly name the price knowing that the seller prefers not to is impolite. If someone does not wish to participate in a silent auction - simply do not - no one forces you, but do not force the other side either:-)

Hi Alex
You say you are not taking any sides

; i can not say the same, with all due respect for those afected

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The way i view it, so called selling preferences, in places not dedicated to business (read speculation) should only be the ethical ones

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I rather take it that, impolite is to put something for sale in a friendly forum without a price and still refuse to give it after your fellow members request

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Silent (or any type of) auctions are perhaps out of context in a members only forum; this is probably a more pertinent reason for the respect issue ... at least for some.
What you probably mean by forcing is, in the worst, a figure of speech; i feel restrained from further coments on this one

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Sorry Alex, don't take it wrong; i am only defending my dame. I am no business guru and i have never registered on eBay. I feel defenceless before certain exercises

Kind regards
Fernando

Maurice · 9th July 2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

I am no business guru and i have never registered on eBay.

Hi Fernando,

That counts for me the same

Regards,
Maurice

Rick · 9th July 2008, 04:26 PM

This is just a thought that popped into my head while reading .

The purpose of these forums is to discuss, educate and further our collective knowledge of the subjects we study here .

Pricing methods in Swap that could result in a windfall for a Seller from a *naive Buyer* do not seem to be in the spirit of the forums as I see it .

ALEX · 9th July 2008, 04:50 PM

Rick - you're absolutely right.
Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.

fernando · 9th July 2008, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

Rick - you're absolutely right.
Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.

Try to start by taking into account how much you have paid for it ... an ingredient that amazingly you have failed to introduce in your above example

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Dajak · 9th July 2008, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

I agree with Ben, Maurice, TVV and few others - we should respect each other's selling preferences - sellers and buyers alike (and each other as well:-) - well done guys:-) No one should dictate or force no one to sell or trade according to anyone's preferences. I am not taking any sides, I am just promoting respect and equality for all members. Asking for offer is no harm in my view - forcing a seller to publicly name the price knowing that the seller prefers not to is impolite. If someone does not wish to participate in a silent auction - simply do not - no one forces you, but do not force the other side either:-)

This is an good thing respect and don't try to put your will on other people

because you don't like the way that they put no price on it .

Ben

Lew · 9th July 2008, 06:06 PM

So far it's 11 leaning towards posting and 5 against. I guess there will need to be an executive decision by the Forum staff as to what the future policy will be

Lew

Dajak · 9th July 2008, 07:29 PM

I don't think the Forum staff has to take an decision on this because this could lead to no more swap posting by some members .

It would be a shame if this gonna happen because some special stuff never get to the swap forum again .

Ben

fernando · 9th July 2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

I don't think the Forum staff has to take an decision on this because this could lead to no more swap posting by some members .
It would be a shame if this gonna happen because some special stuff never get to the swap forum again .
Ben

... In exchange for a more inoquous forum

Fernando

9th July 2008, 04:26 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	This is just a thought that popped into my head while reading . The purpose of these forums is to discuss, educate and further our collective knowledge of the subjects we study here . Pricing methods in Swap that could result in a windfall for a Seller from a naive Buyer do not seem to be in the spirit of the forums as I see it . Last edited by Rick; 9th July 2008 at 05:31 PM. Reason: Clarity

9th July 2008, 10:49 AM	#2
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	I agree with Ben, Maurice, TVV and few others - we should respect each other's selling preferences - sellers and buyers alike (and each other as well:-) - well done guys:-) No one should dictate or force no one to sell or trade according to anyone's preferences. I am not taking any sides, I am just promoting respect and equality for all members. Asking for offer is no harm in my view - forcing a seller to publicly name the price knowing that the seller prefers not to is impolite. If someone does not wish to participate in a silent auction - simply do not - no one forces you, but do not force the other side either:-)

9th July 2008, 04:50 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Rick - you're absolutely right. Fernando, last thought: I understand and respect your opinion. Please allow me to ask for more: I have very nice and rare sword (18th Cent wootz shamshir. signed, in original silver fittings, double kirk pattern). How much does it cost. i.e. how much should I ask for it? What references do I use? Ebay? Other websites? Auctions? etc... I know that many will say: "shamshir like this will cost $2500 on Ebay", but I also know it'd cost about 10 times more on any decent auction (and the buyer will pay 20% on top of it in commissions). I do not know how much it'd exactly fetch though. So, why one can not ask for offer? Of course I can ask $25000 right away, but if I prefer someone who understands the above math to offer something in the acceptable range, and then work on that "seller/buyer click" which Maurice described so nicely earlier on, and without offending others - should I be able to? and I know the Forum is not an auction, I am using it as an example.

9th July 2008, 06:06 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	So far it's 11 leaning towards posting and 5 against. I guess there will need to be an executive decision by the Forum staff as to what the future policy will be Lew

9th July 2008, 07:29 PM	#10
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	I don't think the Forum staff has to take an decision on this because this could lead to no more swap posting by some members . It would be a shame if this gonna happen because some special stuff never get to the swap forum again . Ben