Rapier hilt and gurda blade?

Yannis · 27th March 2005, 02:42 PM

There is a rule in this forum. We don’t discuss open auctions. I believe it is a fair rule so this forum will stay away of sellers intentions and bidders believes. We all learn here and I personally don’t like to read promotions or lies on a blade for financial reasons.

No matter if this rule is good or bad, it gives to all of us the same status against Ebay auctions. A lot of times, before I bid, I wished I had the opinions of some experts we have here but I didn’t ever think to brake the rule.

In this situation someone wanted the advantage against other bidders. He knew that it is not allowed to discuss open auctions, so he tried a “window” of the rule. I am not a lawyer to say if this is rule breaking or not. But I don’t find it gentlemanlike.

Rivkin · 27th March 2005, 04:31 PM

1. Concerning copyrights - without any permission, the images can be used for editorial (news) purposes - which obviously includes any discussions on this site (with some limitations).

2. There is a rule of not discussing active ebay auctions - the rule I personally greatly dislike, and the reason is that while I may be proficient enough in kindjals so I usually don't worry about buying on ebay (so if I would stick to kindjals I would love this rule), but I really like european swords, and unfortunately big and expensive books I have teach you nothing when it comes to how to distinguish fakes etc.

The results is that I have to pay for my education through series of disappointment.

Sincerely yours,

Kirill Rivkin

Andrew · 27th March 2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivkin

2. There is a rule of not discussing active ebay auctions - the rule I personally greatly dislike, and the reason is that while I may be proficient enough in kindjals so I usually don't worry about buying on ebay (so if I would stick to kindjals I would love this rule), but I really like european swords, and unfortunately big and expensive books I have teach you nothing when it comes to how to distinguish fakes etc.

This very thread illustrates quite well why we have such a rule.

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The results is that I have to pay for my education through series of disappointment.

And so do we all. The upside is that you are free to discuss closed auctions and learn after the fact.

Rivkin · 28th March 2005, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew

And so do we all. The upside is that you are free to discuss closed auctions and learn after the fact.

But not everyone is as cheap as me !
To be honest I am greatly disappointed by the direction this thread have taken, especially since no "badmouthing" of the blade was done [EDITED]

Andrew · 27th March 2005, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yannis

There is a rule in this forum. We don’t discuss open auctions. I believe it is a fair rule so this forum will stay away of sellers intentions and bidders believes. We all learn here and I personally don’t like to read promotions or lies on a blade for financial reasons.

No matter if this rule is good or bad, it gives to all of us the same status against Ebay auctions. A lot of times, before I bid, I wished I had the opinions of some experts we have here but I didn’t ever think to brake the rule.

In this situation someone wanted the advantage against other bidders. He knew that it is not allowed to discuss open auctions, so he tried a “window” of the rule. I am not a lawyer to say if this is rule breaking or not. But I don’t find it gentlemanlike.

I have no idea what erlikan's intent was in posting those photos, and I doubt you do either, Yannis. Further, I submit that leveling accusations at erlikan about his intent is not "gentlemanlike", either, particularly in light of his immediate action to remove the offending photos and contrite apology.

I can assure you erlikan was not in violation of any current rule or policy of this forum.

Unfortunately, I cannot assure you those rules will remain the same in the wake of this thread.

Yannis · 27th March 2005, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I have no idea what erlikan's intent was in posting those photos, and I doubt you do either, Yannis. Further, I submit that leveling accusations at erlikan about his intent is not "gentlemanlike",

Andrew read his post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by erlikhan

I just thought to bid for it, and requested opinion thats all.

I don’t accuse anyone. I think that I can read. And I still find it improper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

I can assure you erlikan was not in violation of any current rule or policy of this forum.

So next time I want to learn about an open auction I just have to copy the photos, eh? Thank you, I will do that.
Rivkin this is the solution.

wolviex · 27th March 2005, 07:09 PM

Maybe it's my English, and maybe I don't understand every nuance in the discussion, but if I do remember well, other threads were closed just after it came to light they are about continuing auction.

If my words "Anyway, how to belive the photographs from now" (I hope not) were understood as a warning, I want to say they're not - it's only general thought and I was thinking about another obcjects actually. If so - I'm sorry. Anyway rules are rules but I don't want to decide instead of moderators - power is in your hands gentlemen

we are only the users

Regards!

erlikhan · 27th March 2005, 07:15 PM

Swordsmith, I already deleted them .I didnt refer any auction at all. I even didnt say it was offered to me by someone. I dont think this forum is a service of ebay where every item should refer to ebay or I dont think ebay is the only market of weapons . I publish many items here and most are not acquired from ebay.
Yannis, I and you dont like each other, everybody know this, and you try to use the situation personally.Childish .It is obvious even from the time of your message and the owner of the sword else than your continuing offense. It is ok, no problem. But if you slander me crazily without any proof to try to take advantage against other bidders (where I am even not a bidder ), in reverse I can accuse you that you expect profit from the auction and become disturbed from people critizising the item or you trying to make adversitement of the item by keeping active a topic, which's existence annoys you as far as you've said . Mine would not be more crazy than your comment.
As I said, if it is against forum rules and so unethical, moderators can remove the topic completely or lock it to prevent it from being used for negative or positive purposes about an ongoing auction.
regards

Yannis · 27th March 2005, 07:19 PM

Rick · 27th March 2005, 10:49 PM

Erlikhan's initial post was well within forum guidelines and rules .

Unfortunately we may now have to change those rules .

I have no patience for animosity between the two of you ; quite frankly I find it childish when two grown men snipe at each other like this .

ariel · 28th March 2005, 01:00 AM

I have had my share of silly errors, posting and discussing active e-bay auctions. Andrew slapped my wrist several times and I try to be more cautious .
I can see some wisdom in the current rule of not discussing active auctions although, as Rivkin says, it is often inconvenient. I'd love to have this rule changed too, but... Andrew is a lawyer and I am not.
I am sorry for barging into this thread, I did not know that it was an active auction. In my defence, and in defence of everybody else here, no bad things were said about the item.
BTW, Andrew is a malpractice lawyer (no slur intended, even though I am a physician.....), but Mark is an itellectual property one and is eminently qualified to explain to us why do we have this rule.

Andrew · 28th March 2005, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erlikhan

Swordsmith, I already deleted them .I didnt refer any auction at all. I even didnt say it was offered to me by someone. I dont think this forum is a service of ebay where every item should refer to ebay or I dont think ebay is the only market of weapons . I publish many items here and most are not acquired from ebay.
Yannis, I and you dont like each other, everybody know this, and you try to use the situation personally.Childish .It is obvious even from the time of your message and the owner of the sword else than your continuing offense. It is ok, no problem. But if you slander me crazily without any proof to try to take advantage against other bidders (where I am even not a bidder ), in reverse I can accuse you that you expect profit from the auction and become disturbed from people critizising the item or you trying to make adversitement of the item by keeping active a topic, which's existence annoys you as far as you've said . Mine would not be more crazy than your comment.
As I said, if it is against forum rules and so unethical, moderators can remove the topic completely or lock it to prevent it from being used for negative or positive purposes about an ongoing auction.
regards

Erlikhan, as I've mentioned before, there is an "ignore" feature to the forum software. I, again, suggest you and Yannis explore it.

Andrew · 28th March 2005, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yannis

Andrew read his post:

I read it, and my prior comment stands.

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I don’t accuse anyone. I think that I can read. And I still find it improper.

Yes, you did accuse someone. Yes, you can read. You also allow your personal issues and animosities color your participation in this forum. I suggest you stop.

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So next time I want to learn about an open auction I just have to copy the photos, eh? Thank you, I will do that.
Rivkin this is the solution.

As a result of your conduct on this very thread, the rule prohibiting discussion of active eBay auctions will now be expanded. It was our hope that "scholarly" discussion of an item, albeit in a ficticious vacuum would be possible.

Apparantly not.

Rick · 28th March 2005, 01:34 AM

I'm going to lock this thread now until further notice .

27th March 2005, 07:15 PM	#8
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Swordsmith, I already deleted them .I didnt refer any auction at all. I even didnt say it was offered to me by someone. I dont think this forum is a service of ebay where every item should refer to ebay or I dont think ebay is the only market of weapons . I publish many items here and most are not acquired from ebay. Yannis, I and you dont like each other, everybody know this, and you try to use the situation personally.Childish .It is obvious even from the time of your message and the owner of the sword else than your continuing offense. It is ok, no problem. But if you slander me crazily without any proof to try to take advantage against other bidders (where I am even not a bidder ), in reverse I can accuse you that you expect profit from the auction and become disturbed from people critizising the item or you trying to make adversitement of the item by keeping active a topic, which's existence annoys you as far as you've said . Mine would not be more crazy than your comment. As I said, if it is against forum rules and so unethical, moderators can remove the topic completely or lock it to prevent it from being used for negative or positive purposes about an ongoing auction. regards Last edited by erlikhan; 27th March 2005 at 07:28 PM.

27th March 2005, 10:49 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Yannis Erlikhan's initial post was well within forum guidelines and rules . Unfortunately we may now have to change those rules . I have no patience for animosity between the two of you ; quite frankly I find it childish when two grown men snipe at each other like this .

27th March 2005, 02:42 PM	#1
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	There is a rule in this forum. We don’t discuss open auctions. I believe it is a fair rule so this forum will stay away of sellers intentions and bidders believes. We all learn here and I personally don’t like to read promotions or lies on a blade for financial reasons. No matter if this rule is good or bad, it gives to all of us the same status against Ebay auctions. A lot of times, before I bid, I wished I had the opinions of some experts we have here but I didn’t ever think to brake the rule. In this situation someone wanted the advantage against other bidders. He knew that it is not allowed to discuss open auctions, so he tried a “window” of the rule. I am not a lawyer to say if this is rule breaking or not. But I don’t find it gentlemanlike.

27th March 2005, 04:31 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	1. Concerning copyrights - without any permission, the images can be used for editorial (news) purposes - which obviously includes any discussions on this site (with some limitations). 2. There is a rule of not discussing active ebay auctions - the rule I personally greatly dislike, and the reason is that while I may be proficient enough in kindjals so I usually don't worry about buying on ebay (so if I would stick to kindjals I would love this rule), but I really like european swords, and unfortunately big and expensive books I have teach you nothing when it comes to how to distinguish fakes etc. The results is that I have to pay for my education through series of disappointment. Sincerely yours, Kirill Rivkin

27th March 2005, 07:09 PM	#7
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Maybe it's my English, and maybe I don't understand every nuance in the discussion, but if I do remember well, other threads were closed just after it came to light they are about continuing auction. If my words "Anyway, how to belive the photographs from now" (I hope not) were understood as a warning, I want to say they're not - it's only general thought and I was thinking about another obcjects actually. If so - I'm sorry. Anyway rules are rules but I don't want to decide instead of moderators - power is in your hands gentlemen we are only the users Regards!

27th March 2005, 07:19 PM	#9
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479

28th March 2005, 01:00 AM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I have had my share of silly errors, posting and discussing active e-bay auctions. Andrew slapped my wrist several times and I try to be more cautious . I can see some wisdom in the current rule of not discussing active auctions although, as Rivkin says, it is often inconvenient. I'd love to have this rule changed too, but... Andrew is a lawyer and I am not. I am sorry for barging into this thread, I did not know that it was an active auction. In my defence, and in defence of everybody else here, no bad things were said about the item. BTW, Andrew is a malpractice lawyer (no slur intended, even though I am a physician.....), but Mark is an itellectual property one and is eminently qualified to explain to us why do we have this rule.

28th March 2005, 01:34 AM	#14
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	I'm going to lock this thread now until further notice .