Ideas on these 3 pieces?

VVV · 8th May 2008, 09:51 AM

The Golok, #2, is usually found on Java but they could also be found among Bugis in south Sulawesi (Celebes) and among Malay in Kalimantan (Indonesian part of Borneo). Yours has a very atypical scabbard which might be an indication of that it's from outside Java (the one from Leiden is with the usual scabbard)? Or maybe a collector has combined them later (do they fit well together)? It resembles slightly a scabbard from the Murut tribe (Sabah, NW Borneo) which is strange as this kind of golok isn't usually found there?
The small chopper, #3, looks most probable like a Sumatran utility knife, based on the hilt and blade shape. But it could maybe also be from Borneo Malays (including the Malaysian part of Borneo) or Peninsular Malaysia?

Michael

G. McCormack · 9th May 2008, 07:23 PM

Great info! I knew there had to be some other precedents for the handle styling on the parang/golok, its great to look at those similar pieces you guys posted. Collectively, this forum always impresses!

btw, the blade on the parang does fit the scabbard well, I feel sure it was made for it.

Now if only anyone recognizes the first little knife I posted! Let me take some better pictures and get them up on here

Tim Simmons · 9th May 2008, 08:41 PM

I wonder perhaps the small knife may be Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetan?

G. McCormack · 9th May 2008, 11:41 PM

Okay, here are some more pics of this small dagger. It measures 11 inches (28cm) overall, and the spine at the ricasso measures 3/16" wide (5mm)

Tim Simmons · 10th May 2008, 09:27 AM

Looks like Chinese influence to me.

G. McCormack · 11th May 2008, 08:08 PM

Aye, the fullers and inlaid dots made me think that too. But the form, pommel, and filework on the spine don't lead me in any specific direction, really. Perhaps someone has one similar, somewhere.

CharlesS · 11th May 2008, 09:21 PM

...those stacked pommel ornaments on the dagger look awfully Tuareg(only because of the material and the way they are stacked), but none of the est does. The fullering seems more akin to Turkish or maybe Indo-Persian work.

Intersting.

9th May 2008, 11:41 PM	#4
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	more info! Okay, here are some more pics of this small dagger. It measures 11 inches (28cm) overall, and the spine at the ricasso measures 3/16" wide (5mm) Attached Images

8th May 2008, 09:51 AM	#1
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	The Golok, #2, is usually found on Java but they could also be found among Bugis in south Sulawesi (Celebes) and among Malay in Kalimantan (Indonesian part of Borneo). Yours has a very atypical scabbard which might be an indication of that it's from outside Java (the one from Leiden is with the usual scabbard)? Or maybe a collector has combined them later (do they fit well together)? It resembles slightly a scabbard from the Murut tribe (Sabah, NW Borneo) which is strange as this kind of golok isn't usually found there? The small chopper, #3, looks most probable like a Sumatran utility knife, based on the hilt and blade shape. But it could maybe also be from Borneo Malays (including the Malaysian part of Borneo) or Peninsular Malaysia? Michael

9th May 2008, 07:23 PM	#2
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Great info! I knew there had to be some other precedents for the handle styling on the parang/golok, its great to look at those similar pieces you guys posted. Collectively, this forum always impresses! btw, the blade on the parang does fit the scabbard well, I feel sure it was made for it. Now if only anyone recognizes the first little knife I posted! Let me take some better pictures and get them up on here

9th May 2008, 08:41 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,891	I wonder perhaps the small knife may be Chinese, Mongolian, Tibetan?

10th May 2008, 09:27 AM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,891	Looks like Chinese influence to me.

11th May 2008, 08:08 PM	#6
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Aye, the fullers and inlaid dots made me think that too. But the form, pommel, and filework on the spine don't lead me in any specific direction, really. Perhaps someone has one similar, somewhere.

11th May 2008, 09:21 PM	#7
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	...those stacked pommel ornaments on the dagger look awfully Tuareg(only because of the material and the way they are stacked), but none of the est does. The fullering seems more akin to Turkish or maybe Indo-Persian work. Intersting.