Ideas on these 3 pieces?

Royston · 7th May 2008, 11:26 AM

I have no idea on the first one.

Second looks like a sikin blade.

Third blade looks more like the small Balinese sacrificial knifes.

Royston

RhysMichael · 7th May 2008, 02:20 PM

The middle looks indonesian to me also though I would not call it a sikin. If I had to guess I would say Java though it may be Sumatra. So I guess generically I would call it a parang also Look at pg 134 in Von zonneveld, I think the chopper below it may be indonesian also

some similar ones to the middle on Artzi's site
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2858
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2609
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=533

G. McCormack · 7th May 2008, 05:30 PM

Thanks for the comments so far.

I just ordered a copy of the von Zonneveld book...looks like something I should have!

Rick · 7th May 2008, 08:49 PM

Yes indeedy .

Yeah, the little chopper struck me as Indonesian.
The profile of the blade tip reminds me very much of the shape of a Toa though just a little stubbier .

RhysMichael · 7th May 2008, 10:11 PM

A similar Java sword in the National Museum of Ethnology, Leiden

VVV · 8th May 2008, 09:51 AM

The Golok, #2, is usually found on Java but they could also be found among Bugis in south Sulawesi (Celebes) and among Malay in Kalimantan (Indonesian part of Borneo). Yours has a very atypical scabbard which might be an indication of that it's from outside Java (the one from Leiden is with the usual scabbard)? Or maybe a collector has combined them later (do they fit well together)? It resembles slightly a scabbard from the Murut tribe (Sabah, NW Borneo) which is strange as this kind of golok isn't usually found there?
The small chopper, #3, looks most probable like a Sumatran utility knife, based on the hilt and blade shape. But it could maybe also be from Borneo Malays (including the Malaysian part of Borneo) or Peninsular Malaysia?

Michael

G. McCormack · 9th May 2008, 07:23 PM

Great info! I knew there had to be some other precedents for the handle styling on the parang/golok, its great to look at those similar pieces you guys posted. Collectively, this forum always impresses!

btw, the blade on the parang does fit the scabbard well, I feel sure it was made for it.

Now if only anyone recognizes the first little knife I posted! Let me take some better pictures and get them up on here

7th May 2008, 11:26 AM	#1
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Ideas on these 3 pieces? I have no idea on the first one. Second looks like a sikin blade. Third blade looks more like the small Balinese sacrificial knifes. Royston

7th May 2008, 08:49 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Yes indeedy . Yeah, the little chopper struck me as Indonesian. The profile of the blade tip reminds me very much of the shape of a Toa though just a little stubbier . Attached Images

7th May 2008, 10:11 PM	#5
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	A similar Java sword in the National Museum of Ethnology, Leiden Attached Images

7th May 2008, 02:20 PM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	The middle looks indonesian to me also though I would not call it a sikin. If I had to guess I would say Java though it may be Sumatra. So I guess generically I would call it a parang also Look at pg 134 in Von zonneveld, I think the chopper below it may be indonesian also some similar ones to the middle on Artzi's site http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2858 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2609 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=533 Last edited by RhysMichael; 7th May 2008 at 02:34 PM.

7th May 2008, 05:30 PM	#3
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Thanks for the comments so far. I just ordered a copy of the von Zonneveld book...looks like something I should have!

8th May 2008, 09:51 AM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	The Golok, #2, is usually found on Java but they could also be found among Bugis in south Sulawesi (Celebes) and among Malay in Kalimantan (Indonesian part of Borneo). Yours has a very atypical scabbard which might be an indication of that it's from outside Java (the one from Leiden is with the usual scabbard)? Or maybe a collector has combined them later (do they fit well together)? It resembles slightly a scabbard from the Murut tribe (Sabah, NW Borneo) which is strange as this kind of golok isn't usually found there? The small chopper, #3, looks most probable like a Sumatran utility knife, based on the hilt and blade shape. But it could maybe also be from Borneo Malays (including the Malaysian part of Borneo) or Peninsular Malaysia? Michael

9th May 2008, 07:23 PM	#7
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	Great info! I knew there had to be some other precedents for the handle styling on the parang/golok, its great to look at those similar pieces you guys posted. Collectively, this forum always impresses! btw, the blade on the parang does fit the scabbard well, I feel sure it was made for it. Now if only anyone recognizes the first little knife I posted! Let me take some better pictures and get them up on here