Kindjal for coments

ariel · 20th April 2008, 05:48 AM

Unlikely. There are less than 20 known Kindjal blades in existence dated 18th century ( I have one) . None from the 17th. Check Miller's book "Kaukasiske Wappen".

fernando · 20th April 2008, 06:37 PM

Thank you once more. I will register the data on this piece, concerning blade and scabbard, as per your input. I will consider its age as being XIX century.
Funny thing i can't spot that book in the Net

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Kind regards
Fernando

TVV · 20th April 2008, 08:16 PM

I think Oriental Arms may have a copy of the book.
As for the kindjal, I wish I could help more, but all I can do is agree with Ariel that the Scabbard and hilt look like late 19th century Balkan work.

fernando · 21st April 2008, 11:29 PM

Book found at Oriental Arms.
Thanks a lot.
Fernando

fernando · 21st May 2008, 09:57 PM

I was scrolling the PDF pages of this book about Caucasian Weapons by E. Astvacaturyan, that a member ( i don't remember whom) has provided us long time ago by email and, in page 145, there is a sketch with what i think to be several makers marks seen on 19th century kindjals. To my unexperienced eyes one of these marks seems to be the same as part of the symbols in the example i have posted in this thread. I am a zero in Russian, but this part of the book appears to be the Daghestan section ... precisely the area mentioned by Ariel as being the provenance of the discussed piece.
Could those members with more knowledge in this subject give a coment on this similarity ?
Ariel, could you help ?
Thanks
Fernando

ward · 22nd May 2008, 01:00 AM

Nice old blade and scabbard on this one. A lot different than the tourist items listed recently. My only question/concern would be the handle. Normally you would see the rivets on the reverse side of the handle possibly the grips are recently replaced or maybe I just can not see them in pic

fernando · 22nd May 2008, 02:00 AM

Thank you Ward,
Now that you mention, i have rechecked the handle and its assembly. The grip is made of one only piece ... of horn, i still think.
The tang, at the grip entrance, looks to be the plate type and not of spike form. The fixation points are not what you can call rivets, but nails with a round shell head, like those in the large luxury leather covered chairs, if you know what i mean. They don't go through to the other side, indeed. But they sure are very old, so much worn that the shells are risking to fall off the nails. Whether this grip was not the original, it sure is from the period or close to it.
What do you think about the mark in the book and that in the blade of this piece ? Could it be the same ?
Fernando

21st May 2008, 09:57 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I was scrolling the PDF pages of this book about Caucasian Weapons by E. Astvacaturyan, that a member ( i don't remember whom) has provided us long time ago by email and, in page 145, there is a sketch with what i think to be several makers marks seen on 19th century kindjals. To my unexperienced eyes one of these marks seems to be the same as part of the symbols in the example i have posted in this thread. I am a zero in Russian, but this part of the book appears to be the Daghestan section ... precisely the area mentioned by Ariel as being the provenance of the discussed piece. Could those members with more knowledge in this subject give a coment on this similarity ? Ariel, could you help ? Thanks Fernando Attached Images

20th April 2008, 05:48 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Unlikely. There are less than 20 known Kindjal blades in existence dated 18th century ( I have one) . None from the 17th. Check Miller's book "Kaukasiske Wappen".

20th April 2008, 06:37 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you once more. I will register the data on this piece, concerning blade and scabbard, as per your input. I will consider its age as being XIX century. Funny thing i can't spot that book in the Net . Kind regards Fernando

20th April 2008, 08:16 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,721	I think Oriental Arms may have a copy of the book. As for the kindjal, I wish I could help more, but all I can do is agree with Ariel that the Scabbard and hilt look like late 19th century Balkan work.

21st April 2008, 11:29 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Book found at Oriental Arms. Thanks a lot. Fernando

22nd May 2008, 01:00 AM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Nice old blade and scabbard on this one. A lot different than the tourist items listed recently. My only question/concern would be the handle. Normally you would see the rivets on the reverse side of the handle possibly the grips are recently replaced or maybe I just can not see them in pic

22nd May 2008, 02:00 AM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Ward, Now that you mention, i have rechecked the handle and its assembly. The grip is made of one only piece ... of horn, i still think. The tang, at the grip entrance, looks to be the plate type and not of spike form. The fixation points are not what you can call rivets, but nails with a round shell head, like those in the large luxury leather covered chairs, if you know what i mean. They don't go through to the other side, indeed. But they sure are very old, so much worn that the shells are risking to fall off the nails. Whether this grip was not the original, it sure is from the period or close to it. What do you think about the mark in the book and that in the blade of this piece ? Could it be the same ? Fernando