Help with yatagans' inscriptions

TVV · 31st March 2008, 09:31 PM

Zifir, tahnk you very much Sir!
I think your suggestion regarding the date makes a lot of sense. My friend will be happy with an early yatagan, but from what I have seen (and I have only seen pictures), I doubt this yatagan is 18th century.
Best regards,
Teodor

TVV · 17th July 2008, 06:48 PM

Zifir, Dom and others who can read Arabic, can you please help with the inscriptions on this yataghan?

Thank you very much in advance,

Teodor

TVV · 18th January 2009, 08:58 PM

Here is another yataghan with nice inscitpions from Bulgaria - can anyone help translate them?

Many thanks in advance,
Teodor

Dom · 21st January 2009, 01:52 PM

Hi Teo

except a date, 1288 (1871 gregorian calendar)
and a sentence; la fatha ela Ali, la Saïf ela Zulfakar
no boy than Ali, no sword than Zulfakar

not possibilty to translate the others inscriptions, from Arab to an another language,
because, it's what ever you want excepted arabic language

à +

Dom

TVV · 21st January 2009, 06:16 PM

Thank you very much Dom,

I guess the top row is most likely in Turkish.

Regards,
Teodor

Zifir · 22nd January 2009, 06:41 PM

Hi,
The first one is:

Amel-i Şerif Sahib Osman Ağazade Abdülcemil

Work of Şerif, Owner Abdülcemil, son of Osman Agha

The first line of the second script was difficult to give meaning for me although there is no difficulty in reading it.

Kendi nutk-ı pakdır nutk eyleyen Perverdegar

(My somehow nonsensical translation is: He himself is a well spoken word since it is Allah who make him speak. Some Sufi references here that I am not familiar)

that's best I can

TVV · 22nd January 2009, 07:19 PM

Zifir,

Thank you very much, I really appreciate your translation.
The line with the Sufi reference is especially intriguing, and since almost all inscriptions had an important, almost talismanic meaning to the original owners of these blades, I wonder how it should be interpreted.

Best regards,
Teodor

17th July 2008, 06:48 PM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Zifir, Dom and others who can read Arabic, can you please help with the inscriptions on this yataghan? Thank you very much in advance, Teodor Attached Images

18th January 2009, 08:58 PM	#3
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Here is another yataghan with nice inscitpions from Bulgaria - can anyone help translate them? Many thanks in advance, Teodor Attached Images

21st January 2009, 01:52 PM	#4
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi Teo except a date, 1288 (1871 gregorian calendar) and a sentence; la fatha ela Ali, la Saïf ela Zulfakar no boy than Ali, no sword than Zulfakar not possibilty to translate the others inscriptions, from Arab to an another language, because, it's what ever you want excepted arabic language à + Dom Attached Images Last edited by Dom; 21st January 2009 at 06:14 PM.

22nd January 2009, 06:41 PM	#6
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Hi, The first one is: Amel-i Şerif Sahib Osman Ağazade Abdülcemil Work of Şerif, Owner Abdülcemil, son of Osman Agha The first line of the second script was difficult to give meaning for me although there is no difficulty in reading it. Kendi nutk-ı pakdır nutk eyleyen Perverdegar (My somehow nonsensical translation is: He himself is a well spoken word since it is Allah who make him speak. Some Sufi references here that I am not familiar) that's best I can Attached Images

31st March 2008, 09:31 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Zifir, tahnk you very much Sir! I think your suggestion regarding the date makes a lot of sense. My friend will be happy with an early yatagan, but from what I have seen (and I have only seen pictures), I doubt this yatagan is 18th century. Best regards, Teodor

21st January 2009, 06:16 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Thank you very much Dom, I guess the top row is most likely in Turkish. Regards, Teodor

22nd January 2009, 07:19 PM	#7
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Zifir, Thank you very much, I really appreciate your translation. The line with the Sufi reference is especially intriguing, and since almost all inscriptions had an important, almost talismanic meaning to the original owners of these blades, I wonder how it should be interpreted. Best regards, Teodor