Video, poison keris blade

Tim Simmons · 22nd March 2008, 08:24 PM

I can see no reason why a keris may not be made all the more lethal by the same methords, making a nick or small slash deadly.

lots more here.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1540610

Animals hit by a poison dart, irrespective of the part of the body that is pierced, start to twitch after a few seconds. This state lasts several minutes as the animal's condition worsens and convulsions occur. The animals lose consciousness at an accelerating rate. The throes of death last longer with large animals like wild boar or deer. Death is ultimately due to cardiac failure. The cardiac glycoside affects the Na+K+ATPase activity of the heart muscle membrane (Boer et al. 1999: 127

A. G. Maisey · 24th March 2008, 10:38 PM

The ipoh tree and the upas tree are the same tree.

Its upas in Jawa, ipoh in the Peninsula.

fearn · 25th March 2008, 02:03 AM

And just to top it off, the genus Strychnos is the source for the poison strychnine.

Bill S · 25th March 2008, 04:16 PM

The issue here isn't whether poisons exist - we all know they do and we could no doubt compile a very long list of poisons available to keris owners. The big question is whether there was a tradition of using them on the blades, and how common a tradition it was. So far I don't think anyone has shown that it happened beyond a very limited extent.

David · 25th March 2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill S

The issue here isn't whether poisons exist - we all know they do and we could no doubt compile a very long list of poisons available to keris owners. The big question is whether there was a tradition of using them on the blades, and how common a tradition it was. So far I don't think anyone has shown that it happened beyond a very limited extent.

Agreed.

PenangsangII · 26th March 2008, 03:17 AM

I think this discussion is referring to the video in youtube. The said silat Guru, Mr Azlan Ghanie is still teaching a keris based Silat called Silat Seni Keris Melayu Lok 9, and I happened to be one of his students. Re the poison concoction, so far, I havent got the opportunity to see it my self, and I believe most people also have not. What I heard about this so-called keris dipped into poison, besides from books, is from oral tradition. I guesss I will have to ask Mr Azlan Ghanie himself during our next class on Friday night

Bill S · 26th March 2008, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

...I guesss I will have to ask Mr Azlan Ghanie himself during our next class on Friday night

That would be excellent. I'd enjoy hearing what he has to say on the subject.

22nd March 2008, 08:24 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	A few words on Blow pipe dart poison. I can see no reason why a keris may not be made all the more lethal by the same methords, making a nick or small slash deadly. lots more here. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1540610 Animals hit by a poison dart, irrespective of the part of the body that is pierced, start to twitch after a few seconds. This state lasts several minutes as the animal's condition worsens and convulsions occur. The animals lose consciousness at an accelerating rate. The throes of death last longer with large animals like wild boar or deer. Death is ultimately due to cardiac failure. The cardiac glycoside affects the Na+K+ATPase activity of the heart muscle membrane (Boer et al. 1999: 127 Last edited by Tim Simmons; 22nd March 2008 at 08:49 PM.

24th March 2008, 10:38 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	The ipoh tree and the upas tree are the same tree. Its upas in Jawa, ipoh in the Peninsula.

25th March 2008, 02:03 AM	#3
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	And just to top it off, the genus Strychnos is the source for the poison strychnine.

25th March 2008, 04:16 PM	#4
Bill S Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 10	The issue here isn't whether poisons exist - we all know they do and we could no doubt compile a very long list of poisons available to keris owners. The big question is whether there was a tradition of using them on the blades, and how common a tradition it was. So far I don't think anyone has shown that it happened beyond a very limited extent.

26th March 2008, 03:17 AM	#6
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	I think this discussion is referring to the video in youtube. The said silat Guru, Mr Azlan Ghanie is still teaching a keris based Silat called Silat Seni Keris Melayu Lok 9, and I happened to be one of his students. Re the poison concoction, so far, I havent got the opportunity to see it my self, and I believe most people also have not. What I heard about this so-called keris dipped into poison, besides from books, is from oral tradition. I guesss I will have to ask Mr Azlan Ghanie himself during our next class on Friday night