Patrem keris for comment

[Lew]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Lew, sorry to see a gap for the pendokok...
Based on the carving style and blade material, the ensemble could probably be a souvenir piece from the northern peninsular, no pamor. Blade probably formed from a single piece of metal, without hardening. Lovely greneng and sheath, though.

Hi Alam Shah

Correct me if I am wrong but I have several patrems in my collection and one or two old ones have no pamor and are of one piece construction. As you noted the greneng work is very well done so why go through all that work for a souvenir piece? Most if not all tourist keris I have seen are of very poor quality when compared to this one.

Lew

[David]

I tend to agree with Lew on this one. Lew, is the sheath definitely made for this keris? Does it fit perfectly? It seems equally well crafted as the blade and would seem a nicely made tourist ensemble, especially if the dress is original. What material is the white piece on the sheath? Is it bone or ivory?
It would seem to me that most keris from the northern peninsula tend towards being pamorless, so i don't think that is an indication of anything.
Is it just that patrems are unknown on the peninsula?

[Lew]

Originally Posted by David

I tend to agree with Lew on this one. Lew, is the sheath definitely made for this keris? Does it fit perfectly? It seems equally well crafted as the blade and would seem a nicely made tourist ensemble, especially if the dress is original. What material is the white piece on the sheath? Is it bone or ivory?
It would seem to me that most keris from the northern peninsula tend towards being pamorless, so i don't think that is an indication of anything.
Is it just that patrems are unknown on the peninsula?

David


What material is the white piece on the sheath? Is it bone or ivory?

It is a horn tip at the bottom of the scabbard the white piece is bone I think..

Lew

[Alam Shah]

Lew,
The greneng works perhap to reflect the artistic nature of this piece. Compare the other 'keris pendek', (short keris) with this. Btw, what I meant by 'hardening' is actually 'tempering'. Can you take a closer shot of the base of the blade (sor-soran) area, the whole blade and a close-up of the blade tip. Souvenir pieces do have varying quality levels.

David,
True, there are many pamorless blades in the peninsular. I didn't mean that no pamor equals to a tourist blade, by default. There are many excellent pieces out there which are pamorless. Let see the close-up before I comment further... I've been wrong before.

What is your opinion on the piece that I've attached?