Keeping a keris for protection

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by David

... I can envision a scenario where a keris might be passed on to someone who is not actually a part of the original owners bloodline. Perhaps an adopted son or someone who has become like a son to the keris holder and/or his family. If it is given in this spirit and accepted with these understandings i believe it may be possible to maintain an unbroken chain of power in the keris.

Perhaps. Should the original bloodline pass it on to someone else as mentioned, normally there would be a ceremony, for the 'transfer of ownership' with the name of the 'guardian' / 'isi', be made known... together with the accompanying rituals, based on what I understand.

[Pusaka]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Perhaps. Should the original bloodline pass it on to someone else as mentioned, normally there would be a ceremony, for the 'transfer of ownership' with the name of the 'guardian' / 'isi', be made known... together with the accompanying rituals, based on what I understand.

Originally Posted by semar

the power will cal in the keris with a mantra but this kind of power will not stay for a longer time so you hef to repeat the ritual for keeping the power in to the keris

True, if it is a real keris (one with power) then you cant keep any isi alive without repeating the mantra/ name. To know the name of a keris is to access its power. The name is only known to the owner/ maybe the family also? If you buy a real keris how will you find out its name?

[David]

Originally Posted by Pusaka

True, if it is a real keris (one with power) then you cant keep any isi alive without repeating the mantra/ name. To know the name of a keris is to access its power. The name is only known to the owner/ maybe the family also? If you buy a real keris how will you find out its name?

Ask it.

[Pusaka]

Originally Posted by David

Ask it.

LOL David, I dont have that problem because I'm quite sure none of my keris, including the old ones have isi. Actually I believe a keris with an isi is a very very rare thing. Only people of a very high level can create an isi. It requires a higher manasakti than the average person has. Not something that can be acquired without training in ilmu and a thorough knowledge of such things. Such people are rare indeed and therefore such keris are rare indeed.
I know that there may be many who say prayers and mantra to keris with the intention of empowering it but as a guru once told me "a keris is only as powerful as its maker" Adepts are rare people, there are many who think or declare themselves as such but when it comes down to it most of them can talk the talk but you will find few can actually walk the walk

[PenangsangII]

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Perhaps. Should the original bloodline pass it on to someone else as mentioned, normally there would be a ceremony, for the 'transfer of ownership' with the name of the 'guardian' / 'isi', be made known... together with the accompanying rituals, based on what I understand.

Yes blood is thicker than water.....but not necessarily having the bloodline will entitle you to own a pusaka....normally the "isi" knows who can maintain the keris....and the person could be a total stranger.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Yes blood is thicker than water.....but not necessarily having the bloodline will entitle you to own a pusaka....normally the "isi" knows who can maintain the keris....and the person could be a total stranger.

I agree... a stranger but not a nobody.

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Lets imagine there was an unmarried buddhist/hindhuist monk commissioning a keris pusaka.

[Raden Usman Djogja]

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Lets imagine there was an unmarried buddhist/hindhuist monk commissioning a keris pusaka.

Alam & Penangsang,

If the monk had passed away, no one have bloodline relation with him. If his keris had an "isi", will the "isi" be inactive forever?

According to "isi", in my town, a lot of people believe in "isi", not only in keris but also in stone (such as akik), talisman (e.g. rajah?!) and wood (such as warangka).

regards,
Usman

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Alam & Penangsang,

If the monk had passed away, no one have bloodline relation with him. If his keris had an "isi", will the "isi" be inactive forever?

I was told that the 'isi' would probably seek a new owner... depends on the strength of the 'isi'.

Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

According to "isi", in my town, a lot of people believe in "isi", not only in keris but also in stone (such as akik), talisman (e.g. rajah?!) and wood (such as warangka).

regards,
Usman

Likewise, in the old malay world... but then again, there are a few school of thoughts, depending on different belief systems.

[pakana]

Greetings to all keris lovers,

I was wondering if someone (especially our Indonesian or Malayan friends) can enlight us about the way a keris might "react" if some thief or burglar is, for example, trying to get to someone that his house is been guarded by a keris. Only by rattling in it's sheath? Any other info that you might have heard?

George