E. Java or Lombok keris blade?

Rick · 20th December 2007, 04:52 PM

It's all a bit 'Touristic' but the elements are done in a tasteful fashion .

Henk · 20th December 2007, 07:56 PM

Sipakatuo made a point. I've seen Balinese and Lombok kerisblades with a more javanese look. Wondering if I looked at a javanese keris in Bali or Lombok dress.
The knowledgeable collectors told me such kerisblades are not unusual in Bali and Lombok.
I think we are looking at a Lombok keris. And a very nice one too.

sipakatuo · 21st December 2007, 11:06 AM

The pelet arrangement on the batang called Baris Jajar and it means to bring happines and prosperity for Suku Lombok. The type of Hulu called Bandolan, it is common, and wear by ordinary people. Pls see below:

BluErf · 22nd December 2007, 01:12 AM

Thank you all for sharing your opinions and information. I appreciate it!

Newsteel · 27th December 2007, 05:51 AM

That kind of sheath what we know belong to Lombok. But I heard from some, the Balinese claim that kind of wrangka (axe like) also belong to them.. I guess there is no right wrong answer for this...

Another opinion gathered was that, the bigger sheath was meant to show bravery and might scared the other opponent. I don't know how valid this is.

BluErf, that blade is nice to hold. Very sturdy blade and amazingly pretty light too. Love it...

RobT · 13th January 2008, 09:09 PM

Hi All,
I've been following this discussion avidly because of a keris that I recently purchased that seems to be a Balinese/Javanese hybrid. I would have entered the discussion earlier but today was the first day that has been sunny enough for me to take pictures. These are the features that I'm having trouble reconciling (note that the uwer isn't original to the piece but I don't think the one that it came with was original either as it was a simple, poorly made cone, that didn't match the quality of the blade or the dress).:
1. The blade and dress, aside from the hilt, look Javanese.
2. The hilt looks Balinese.
3. The wood of the hilt and the wranka match.
4. The blade fits the sheath perfectly.
5. The blade and sheath are noticeably larger than typical for Javanese pieces.
6. The dress is all of good quality.
7. The blade looks old, of good quality and pure Javanese (not like some of the more recently made Madura pieces made in a Balinese style).
I have included a three luk Javanese blade for size comparison. I am really interested in what you all make of this piece.
Sincerely,
RobT

kai · 14th January 2008, 09:04 AM

Hello Rob,

Eastern Jawa?

Some more close-ups may help...

Regards,
Kai

20th December 2007, 04:52 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,365	Dressed It's all a bit 'Touristic' but the elements are done in a tasteful fashion . Attached Images

21st December 2007, 11:06 AM	#3
sipakatuo Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 59	The pelet arrangement on the batang called Baris Jajar and it means to bring happines and prosperity for Suku Lombok. The type of Hulu called Bandolan, it is common, and wear by ordinary people. Pls see below: Attached Images Last edited by sipakatuo; 21st December 2007 at 11:28 AM.

13th January 2008, 09:09 PM	#6
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 566	another hybrid? Hi All, I've been following this discussion avidly because of a keris that I recently purchased that seems to be a Balinese/Javanese hybrid. I would have entered the discussion earlier but today was the first day that has been sunny enough for me to take pictures. These are the features that I'm having trouble reconciling (note that the uwer isn't original to the piece but I don't think the one that it came with was original either as it was a simple, poorly made cone, that didn't match the quality of the blade or the dress).: 1. The blade and dress, aside from the hilt, look Javanese. 2. The hilt looks Balinese. 3. The wood of the hilt and the wranka match. 4. The blade fits the sheath perfectly. 5. The blade and sheath are noticeably larger than typical for Javanese pieces. 6. The dress is all of good quality. 7. The blade looks old, of good quality and pure Javanese (not like some of the more recently made Madura pieces made in a Balinese style). I have included a three luk Javanese blade for size comparison. I am really interested in what you all make of this piece. Sincerely, RobT Attached Images

20th December 2007, 07:56 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Sipakatuo made a point. I've seen Balinese and Lombok kerisblades with a more javanese look. Wondering if I looked at a javanese keris in Bali or Lombok dress. The knowledgeable collectors told me such kerisblades are not unusual in Bali and Lombok. I think we are looking at a Lombok keris. And a very nice one too.

22nd December 2007, 01:12 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Thank you all for sharing your opinions and information. I appreciate it!

27th December 2007, 05:51 AM	#5
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	That kind of sheath what we know belong to Lombok. But I heard from some, the Balinese claim that kind of wrangka (axe like) also belong to them.. I guess there is no right wrong answer for this... Another opinion gathered was that, the bigger sheath was meant to show bravery and might scared the other opponent. I don't know how valid this is. BluErf, that blade is nice to hold. Very sturdy blade and amazingly pretty light too. Love it...

14th January 2008, 09:04 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Rob, Eastern Jawa? Some more close-ups may help... Regards, Kai