For those who like Oriental stuff

VANDOO · 23rd November 2007, 06:31 PM

I AM SURE THE VARIOUS FORMS OF THESE CEREMONIAL WEAPONS HAD SOME SPECIFIC NAMES AND MAY HAVE REPRESENTED SOME CHINESE GOD OR GAURDIAN IN SOME ANCIENT STORY. THEY PROBABLY ALSO HAD THEIR OWN SPECIAL POWER OR MEANING, I HAVE SEEN VARIATION IN THE FORMS OF THE POLEARM HEADS FROM THE SETS I HAVE SEEN BUT THERE USUALLY SEEMS TO BE THE BASIC FORMS IN EACH SET, THE MACE FORM, THE TRIDENT FORM ECT. PERHAPS THERE IS SOME ASSOCIATION WITH THE 10 IMORTALS OR SOME OTHER LEGENDARY GROUP? IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO TRACK DOWN SOME OF THE LEGENDS AND MEANINGS ASOCIATED WITH THE VARIOUS ONES AS THEIR FORMS DO HAVE OLD MEANINGS UNLIKE MODERN FANTASY WEAPONS.

I WOULD NAME THE LARGE SPIKEY MACE " CELESTIAL DRAGON MACE WHO SHATTERS THE COSMOS"

fernando · 23rd November 2007, 07:48 PM

Hi Vandoo,
I apreciate the enthusiasm you are putting on this theme

Thank you so much.
Fernando

fernando · 12th December 2007, 04:21 PM

I have spotted a more real version of these things, exhibited at the Palace of the Dukes of Bragança, belonging to a collection gathered by the Viscount of Pindela.
The picture is horrible ... they don't allow us to take pictures and there is a rope to keep the visitors at distance.
According to the book, these are considered halberds ( there are two of them ), made in iron, steel and bronze. The large blade is 83 cms. long. The bronze socket represents the front of a strange marine species, frequently reproduced in Chinese works such as sculpture, porcelains, laquers, embroideries, fabrics, bronzes, coppers, even in stamping works , showing in this specimen a magnificent work of modeling and chisel.
While probably the General was not an ethnographic gatherer and the replicas were possibly offered to him in a ritual or friendly gesture, relative to his functions, the Viscount was a fine collector and must have paid some reasonable amount to aquire the real period stuff.
These halberds are dated XVI century.
Fernando

23rd November 2007, 06:31 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I AM SURE THE VARIOUS FORMS OF THESE CEREMONIAL WEAPONS HAD SOME SPECIFIC NAMES AND MAY HAVE REPRESENTED SOME CHINESE GOD OR GAURDIAN IN SOME ANCIENT STORY. THEY PROBABLY ALSO HAD THEIR OWN SPECIAL POWER OR MEANING, I HAVE SEEN VARIATION IN THE FORMS OF THE POLEARM HEADS FROM THE SETS I HAVE SEEN BUT THERE USUALLY SEEMS TO BE THE BASIC FORMS IN EACH SET, THE MACE FORM, THE TRIDENT FORM ECT. PERHAPS THERE IS SOME ASSOCIATION WITH THE 10 IMORTALS OR SOME OTHER LEGENDARY GROUP? IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO TRACK DOWN SOME OF THE LEGENDS AND MEANINGS ASOCIATED WITH THE VARIOUS ONES AS THEIR FORMS DO HAVE OLD MEANINGS UNLIKE MODERN FANTASY WEAPONS. I WOULD NAME THE LARGE SPIKEY MACE " CELESTIAL DRAGON MACE WHO SHATTERS THE COSMOS" Last edited by VANDOO; 23rd November 2007 at 06:47 PM.

12th December 2007, 04:21 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	IS THERE A CLOSE RELATION BETWEEN BOTH VERSIONS ? I have spotted a more real version of these things, exhibited at the Palace of the Dukes of Bragança, belonging to a collection gathered by the Viscount of Pindela. The picture is horrible ... they don't allow us to take pictures and there is a rope to keep the visitors at distance. According to the book, these are considered halberds ( there are two of them ), made in iron, steel and bronze. The large blade is 83 cms. long. The bronze socket represents the front of a strange marine species, frequently reproduced in Chinese works such as sculpture, porcelains, laquers, embroideries, fabrics, bronzes, coppers, even in stamping works , showing in this specimen a magnificent work of modeling and chisel. While probably the General was not an ethnographic gatherer and the replicas were possibly offered to him in a ritual or friendly gesture, relative to his functions, the Viscount was a fine collector and must have paid some reasonable amount to aquire the real period stuff. These halberds are dated XVI century. Fernando Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 12th December 2007 at 11:09 PM.

23rd November 2007, 07:48 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Vandoo, I apreciate the enthusiasm you are putting on this theme Thank you so much. Fernando