Abyssinian shotel for coment

roanoa · 21st November 2007, 06:10 PM

Ciao, Paolo. Very nice sword. I do not know which area of Abyssinia it originated from. The only thought I have is that it is very VERY similar to one that is at the Pigorini Museum in Rome. Flavio posted the pictures a while back and is listed as number 2. Unfortunatelly, the identification card cannot be read. Maybe Flavio as made a note of it?

paolo · 21st November 2007, 06:54 PM

Hi roanoa,
Is this?

Jim McDougall · 22nd November 2007, 01:25 AM

Interesting discussion and examples gentlemen.

roanoa · 24th November 2007, 02:24 AM

Ciao, Paolo. Have you checked with Flavio about the description of the Pigorini sword? It is a very nice example of a not so common variation. I am a bit uncertain about calling it a "shotel" as it has characteristics that set it apart from the typical shotel forms. I have seen somewhere a reference about it being called SHAMLA. But considering the many languages spoken in Abyssinia, shamla could very well simply mean "sword".....

Rod Charters · 24th November 2007, 03:58 PM

Hi Roanna,
is there a link between the hilt designs as seen in Paolos sword and the couple of daggers I posted. Do you think this is a characteristic of Oromia related tribes or just coincidence in this case?
Rod

roanoa · 26th November 2007, 05:57 PM

Hi, Rod. The handles you are referring to are of typical Abyssinian design, but there is not enough evidence to trace them to a particular ethnic group.

roanoa · 29th November 2007, 03:25 PM

Hi, Rod. Just saw this picture (horribly small..... I hope it will show OK) and thought of you. The knife is identified (I hope the identification is correct) as being from the Sidamo province of Ethiopia. Cheers.

21st November 2007, 06:54 PM	#2
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Hi roanoa, Is this? Attached Images

29th November 2007, 03:25 PM	#7
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Hi, Rod. Just saw this picture (horribly small..... I hope it will show OK) and thought of you. The knife is identified (I hope the identification is correct) as being from the Sidamo province of Ethiopia. Cheers. Attached Images

21st November 2007, 06:10 PM	#1
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Ciao, Paolo. Very nice sword. I do not know which area of Abyssinia it originated from. The only thought I have is that it is very VERY similar to one that is at the Pigorini Museum in Rome. Flavio posted the pictures a while back and is listed as number 2. Unfortunatelly, the identification card cannot be read. Maybe Flavio as made a note of it?

22nd November 2007, 01:25 AM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	Interesting discussion and examples gentlemen.

24th November 2007, 02:24 AM	#4
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Ciao, Paolo. Have you checked with Flavio about the description of the Pigorini sword? It is a very nice example of a not so common variation. I am a bit uncertain about calling it a "shotel" as it has characteristics that set it apart from the typical shotel forms. I have seen somewhere a reference about it being called SHAMLA. But considering the many languages spoken in Abyssinia, shamla could very well simply mean "sword".....

24th November 2007, 03:58 PM	#5
Rod Charters Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 48	Hi Roanna, is there a link between the hilt designs as seen in Paolos sword and the couple of daggers I posted. Do you think this is a characteristic of Oromia related tribes or just coincidence in this case? Rod

26th November 2007, 05:57 PM	#6
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 241	Hi, Rod. The handles you are referring to are of typical Abyssinian design, but there is not enough evidence to trace them to a particular ethnic group.