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A. G. Maisey · 27th September 2007, 10:21 PM

Pak Usmen, I have not encountered any esoteric beliefs attached to dhapur laler mengeng.

I've just had a look at several books where I would expect to find mention of this if there was some belief attached to laler mengeng, and there is no mention of such a belief. Apart from this, there seems to be a little confusion about exactly what the characteristics of laler mengeng are.

I've always known it as a straight keris with an inwards turning kembang kacang, as shown in Ensiklopedi, but some people seem to believe it is a straight keris with the kembang kacang in correct orientation, but constrained within the bounds of the gandhik.

This is not at all unusual in discussion of dhapur; it can be a source for considerable disagreement between equally knowledgeable people.In fact, in my experience, almost everything to do with keris can generate unending discussion, especially if we have two---or more--- knowledgeable people, both of whom are convinced they are right--- when maybe there is no "right", and no "wrong", just different opinions.

Rick, to me, this looks like a Mataram tombak where the metuk has lost form; the base of a Mataram metuk spreads more widely than the metuk in this tombak. This metuk is more like Tuban, but the blade body is totally unlike Tuban. To give a reasonably supportable opinion it would really be necessary to handle this tombak.

A. G. Maisey · 28th September 2007, 07:07 AM

Two tombak.

The black one is a Mangkunegaraan Palace tombak, stamped on one face "99" & "1862", stamped on the other face "M" & "4".
The brass brongsong on the landean is stamped "86" & "1862"

A Surakarta classification tombak with metuk kinatah.

AyAtOyOlLa · 30th September 2007, 03:33 AM

Someone's.

28th September 2007, 07:07 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Two tombak. The black one is a Mangkunegaraan Palace tombak, stamped on one face "99" & "1862", stamped on the other face "M" & "4". The brass brongsong on the landean is stamped "86" & "1862" A Surakarta classification tombak with metuk kinatah. Attached Images

27th September 2007, 10:21 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Pak Usmen, I have not encountered any esoteric beliefs attached to dhapur laler mengeng. I've just had a look at several books where I would expect to find mention of this if there was some belief attached to laler mengeng, and there is no mention of such a belief. Apart from this, there seems to be a little confusion about exactly what the characteristics of laler mengeng are. I've always known it as a straight keris with an inwards turning kembang kacang, as shown in Ensiklopedi, but some people seem to believe it is a straight keris with the kembang kacang in correct orientation, but constrained within the bounds of the gandhik. This is not at all unusual in discussion of dhapur; it can be a source for considerable disagreement between equally knowledgeable people.In fact, in my experience, almost everything to do with keris can generate unending discussion, especially if we have two---or more--- knowledgeable people, both of whom are convinced they are right--- when maybe there is no "right", and no "wrong", just different opinions. Rick, to me, this looks like a Mataram tombak where the metuk has lost form; the base of a Mataram metuk spreads more widely than the metuk in this tombak. This metuk is more like Tuban, but the blade body is totally unlike Tuban. To give a reasonably supportable opinion it would really be necessary to handle this tombak.

30th September 2007, 03:33 AM	#3
AyAtOyOlLa Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 7	Someone's.