Between Solo and Yogya

Kiai Carita · 15th September 2007, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

Kiai Carito,

I am sorry if my story is different from. As I explained before, that is why I need a time to consider for responding or not Gonjo's question. My story could be controvertial one. I am just storyteller. Em... unbravery doesnt mean cowardise, does it?

Please, dont tell my story to your friends. I like to live in peace and harmony

warm salam,
Usmen

Raden Usmen,

As far as I know there is no unbravery in scrabble...Maybe Alan can help us here being a true-blue native speaker. But oral history about a crown-prince who lost his throne to another prince is likely to have different nuances depending on which side of the family tells it.

Salam hangat kembali,
Bram

A. G. Maisey · 15th September 2007, 06:32 AM

Dunno about scrabble---probably depends on the stakes of the game.

But it does take incredible bravery to make some types of remark in public. Particularly if one does not personally know the family and political affiliations of all who might hear, or read those remarks.

Raden Usman Djogja · 15th September 2007, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiai Carita

Raden Usmen,
As far as I know there is no unbravery in scrabble...
Salam hangat kembali,
Bram

Kiai Carito and Kerislovers,

hahahaha... I give up permaturely if criticized about my english language usage. Since I am quite lazy to check what I am writing out dictionary. The logic of Indonesian and Jawa langauges influence my way to express in English, such us using "prefix of negative meaning".

If a languase is an ocean. There are Jawa ocean, Indonesian Ocean, English Ocean, Allemand Ocean, Francais Ocean et cetera et cetera. Till now, perhaps, I can swim but I cannot dive yet. Swimming by simplestyle. However, someday, I hope I can do both swimming and diving. So please help me by correcting every posting I make in term of correct english usage. I will appreciate it.

Thank you for correcting gramatically my posting. Hope you will do it again and again. Then I can learn both keris knowledge and english language through this beloved forum.

warm salam,
Usmen

Raden Usman Djogja · 19th September 2007, 02:51 AM

to all forumities,

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?

from a tombaklover,
Usmen

A. G. Maisey · 19th September 2007, 04:05 AM

I'm here Raden .

Guess everybody else is busy doing something important, but today I'm glued to the computater.

Maybe everybody is outside playing. Waste of time spending good days in front of a computer. I should raise my fees.

What's this "tombak lover" business?

Rather partial to tombakipuns myself, but I don't think I'd bill myself as a tombak lover. Too many clever people could make too many unfortunate remarks.

Raden Usman Djogja · 19th September 2007, 02:48 PM

hi Alan,

to clarify tombak/tombakipun that when I was in Jogja, I prefferred to buy spearheads rather than kerises. first, it was interested me since I knew a synonim of tombak was waos (tooth) while a synonim of keris was curigo (curious). second, it was cheaper than keris.

seemingly, I took a risk to tell about Mataram style of succession. So far, I dont have any motive but to say what I hear for the purpose of historical background in discussing "between Djokja and Solo" (and Mataram).

okay... to all kerislovers, it is time for us to upload tangguh Surakarta and Jogjakarta. please....

Usmen

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I'm here Raden .

Guess everybody else is busy doing something important, but today I'm glued to the computater.

Maybe everybody is outside playing. Waste of time spending good days in front of a computer. I should raise my fees.

What's this "tombak lover" business?

Rather partial to tombakipuns myself, but I don't think I'd bill myself as a tombak lover. Too many clever people could make too many unfortunate remarks.

Raden Usman Djogja · 19th September 2007, 02:55 PM

dear friends,

what kind of pamor do you think?
is it jogja or solo?

regards,
Usmen

A. G. Maisey · 20th September 2007, 12:12 AM

G'day Pak Usman

Personally, I have no preference between keris and tombak. The work involved in making a tombak is considerably less than in making a keris, but both can equally reflect the skill of the maker. Of all the Javanese wesi aji I have , possibly the finest piece is a tombak by Jayasukadgo; I was able to afford this, but I would have difficulty in affording a keris by the same maker.

In my experience, very few collectors in the western world appreciate the tombak . Which is a bit of a pity.

Yes, I understood that you were only telling a story when you wrote of the succession in Mataram, and honestly, it was quite interesting, but had I been in possession of this knowledge, I would probably not have chosen to make it available on the net.Such an act requires great bravery, which I do not possess.

That is a nice tombak you have shown a pic of. Would it be possible to do a photo that shows the metuk at a 90 degree angle, and another photo full length, so we can see the pawakan?

Alan.

cahaya · 20th September 2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Raden Usman Djogja

dear friends,

what kind of pamor do you think?
is it jogja or solo?

regards,
Usmen

Hallo Mr. Usmen

can you sent pic close up/fokus at the pamor?
and like Bapak Allan to can we see "pawakan"/full pic tombak?

That is garap PB Mataram Surokarto?? (in my opinion for now)

thanks for sharing your pusoko

19th September 2007, 02:55 PM	#7
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15th September 2007, 06:32 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Dunno about scrabble---probably depends on the stakes of the game. But it does take incredible bravery to make some types of remark in public. Particularly if one does not personally know the family and political affiliations of all who might hear, or read those remarks.

19th September 2007, 02:51 AM	#4
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	to all forumities, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? from a tombaklover, Usmen

19th September 2007, 04:05 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	I'm here Raden . Guess everybody else is busy doing something important, but today I'm glued to the computater. Maybe everybody is outside playing. Waste of time spending good days in front of a computer. I should raise my fees. What's this "tombak lover" business? Rather partial to tombakipuns myself, but I don't think I'd bill myself as a tombak lover. Too many clever people could make too many unfortunate remarks.

20th September 2007, 12:12 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	G'day Pak Usman Personally, I have no preference between keris and tombak. The work involved in making a tombak is considerably less than in making a keris, but both can equally reflect the skill of the maker. Of all the Javanese wesi aji I have , possibly the finest piece is a tombak by Jayasukadgo; I was able to afford this, but I would have difficulty in affording a keris by the same maker. In my experience, very few collectors in the western world appreciate the tombak . Which is a bit of a pity. Yes, I understood that you were only telling a story when you wrote of the succession in Mataram, and honestly, it was quite interesting, but had I been in possession of this knowledge, I would probably not have chosen to make it available on the net.Such an act requires great bravery, which I do not possess. That is a nice tombak you have shown a pic of. Would it be possible to do a photo that shows the metuk at a 90 degree angle, and another photo full length, so we can see the pawakan? Alan.