keris blade for comment.

capt.smash · 11th March 2005, 06:03 PM

closer inspection reveals that the second animal is almost certainly a tiger and they both apear to be partly submerged in flowing water/river..the nodules near the aring seem to be rocks with water flowing around them.

Henk · 12th March 2005, 11:22 AM

What a shame that this blade is mounted in such a cheap tourist dress.

It is balinese and once it certainly was dressed in a smashing scabbard with a fine ukiran. Unfortunately the mendak is also missing.

In my opinion this is a very good blade. It should be cleaned properly with lime juice and re-etched with arsenic. The figures on the gandja were certainly gilded and the engravings once were gilded too.

Maybe you should spend some money on this fellow to bring it back in the way it once appeared. Maybe Adni of the Malay Art Gallery can give you some advise. If you have the opportunity to restore it you will have a very fine balinese or lombok keris. I think this one is the effort worth.

capt.smash · 12th March 2005, 11:35 PM

Thanks Henk thanks for the reply

yeah its a great shame about the dress but for me the blade is the most important part...this is the second good quality bali blade that i have got in almost identical dress and like the last this is one for keeps and restoration.

Do you have any ideahs on the significance of the animals ?mabe a makers marks or perhaps something to do with a hindu fable or something they are a lovely detail

Rick · 12th March 2005, 11:54 PM

Nah ,
Made in Milwaukee .

Seriously though capt. , thanks for showing me something I have never before seen in a Bali blade .
The Tiger and the Bull are symbols of bravery , no ?

Very interesting features .

Henk · 13th March 2005, 09:42 AM

To be honest I really don't know what the meaning is of those symbols on the keris. Ricks remark is a posibility. I've seen such a keris in good condition in a very serious collection. I was even allowed to keep it in my hands. The only thing I could do at that moment was to put up a face like this,

and enjoying a marvelous keris.

I always thought that such a keris was made for a wealthy person who could afford a keris with gold ornaments. The keris I mentioned had a dress of gold and ivory, that is pointing in such a direction. Symbols of power and strength, reflecting the position of the owner.

capt.smash · 13th March 2005, 04:02 PM

"made in Milwaukee" LOL

Rick · 13th March 2005, 06:00 PM

This is probably the antithesis of critical thinking but ,

While I agree that this blade most likely belonged to a higher status person I also have read , on this forum IIRC (take it for what you will) , that such adornments were often awarded by the sultan for an outstanding act of bravery on the part of one of his minions .

Silly romantic stuff probably but it would seem a particularly appropriate reward and possibly even fits Ruel's fashion criteria .

Always remember , you read it on the internet .

11th March 2005, 06:03 PM	#1
capt.smash Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Devon ,England Posts: 80	closer inspection reveals that the second animal is almost certainly a tiger and they both apear to be partly submerged in flowing water/river..the nodules near the aring seem to be rocks with water flowing around them.

12th March 2005, 11:22 AM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	What a shame that this blade is mounted in such a cheap tourist dress. It is balinese and once it certainly was dressed in a smashing scabbard with a fine ukiran. Unfortunately the mendak is also missing. In my opinion this is a very good blade. It should be cleaned properly with lime juice and re-etched with arsenic. The figures on the gandja were certainly gilded and the engravings once were gilded too. Maybe you should spend some money on this fellow to bring it back in the way it once appeared. Maybe Adni of the Malay Art Gallery can give you some advise. If you have the opportunity to restore it you will have a very fine balinese or lombok keris. I think this one is the effort worth.

12th March 2005, 11:35 PM	#3
capt.smash Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Devon ,England Posts: 80	Thanks Henk thanks for the reply yeah its a great shame about the dress but for me the blade is the most important part...this is the second good quality bali blade that i have got in almost identical dress and like the last this is one for keeps and restoration. Do you have any ideahs on the significance of the animals ?mabe a makers marks or perhaps something to do with a hindu fable or something they are a lovely detail

12th March 2005, 11:54 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Nah , Made in Milwaukee . Seriously though capt. , thanks for showing me something I have never before seen in a Bali blade . The Tiger and the Bull are symbols of bravery , no ? Very interesting features .

13th March 2005, 09:42 AM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	To be honest I really don't know what the meaning is of those symbols on the keris. Ricks remark is a posibility. I've seen such a keris in good condition in a very serious collection. I was even allowed to keep it in my hands. The only thing I could do at that moment was to put up a face like this, and enjoying a marvelous keris. I always thought that such a keris was made for a wealthy person who could afford a keris with gold ornaments. The keris I mentioned had a dress of gold and ivory, that is pointing in such a direction. Symbols of power and strength, reflecting the position of the owner.

13th March 2005, 04:02 PM	#6
capt.smash Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Devon ,England Posts: 80	"made in Milwaukee" LOL

13th March 2005, 06:00 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	This is probably the antithesis of critical thinking but , While I agree that this blade most likely belonged to a higher status person I also have read , on this forum IIRC (take it for what you will) , that such adornments were often awarded by the sultan for an outstanding act of bravery on the part of one of his minions . Silly romantic stuff probably but it would seem a particularly appropriate reward and possibly even fits Ruel's fashion criteria . Always remember , you read it on the internet .