Why was this one so special ...

Ian · 5th July 2007, 05:09 PM

Thanks to you all. I agree completely with all that you have said. Thought I must have been missing something "special" here.

I would place this as Filipino work, probably no earlier than WWII, and as you have each indicated it was probably overvalued by a factor of 2-3. The monkey head is seen on some northern Luzon knives and swords, notably from Igorot groups, but mainly on pieces made in the 20th C. and for consumption outside the original culture -- even to the point of adding monkey skulls to the scabbards.

As Ariel notes, it is unfortunate that some of the more knowledgable collectors seem to have abandoned eBay.

Ian.

Spunjer · 5th July 2007, 05:40 PM

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As Ariel notes, it is unfortunate that some of the more knowledgable collectors seem to have abandoned eBay.

abandoned? i doubt it... outsniped? well, as ariel put it, " there is a new and large group of people with a feedback of 2-5, too much money and absolutely no understanding or knowledge of antique or ethnic weapons."
i don't think they're new tho; just changing names, IMHO

Rick · 5th July 2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

abandoned? i doubt it... outsniped? well, as ariel put it, " there is a new and large group of people with a feedback of 2-5, too much money and absolutely no understanding or knowledge of antique or ethnic weapons."
i don't think they're new tho; just changing names, IMHO

The E.W. collecting community does seem to have grown; and they have money to burn.

ariel · 5th July 2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

abandoned? i doubt it... outsniped? well, as ariel put it, " there is a new and large group of people with a feedback of 2-5, too much money and absolutely no understanding or knowledge of antique or ethnic weapons."
i don't think they're new tho; just changing names, IMHO

I think the ARE new: witness increased incidents of astonishing money paid for junk.
We all do it sometimes: either get fooled, too excited or getting a lousy piece because there is a ( what we think) important feature ( "... the blade is a replacement, but the handle seems to be the missing link..."-type).
But the new crop on e-bay just BUYS!

Spunjer · 12th July 2007, 06:56 AM

doubt if this buyer is a noob:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320134542439

new collectors tend to ask a lot of questions before spending money on swords he or she is interested, either by private email or public forums, then they go on a shopping spree. as far as the buyer above, well, he sure does have money to burn, lol.

but then again, it depends on what's the definition of a noobie collector here...

kai · 12th July 2007, 10:27 AM

Certainly a niece piece. With broken blade, broken hilt, and broken scabbard, a fairly steep ticket though...

Rick · 12th July 2007, 04:24 PM

I'm probably dense but I can see no reason for a price like that.
Must have been a war of wallets.

Sad business IMO.

Looks like a barung ferrule on the handle.

David · 12th July 2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunjer

doubt if this buyer is a noob:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320134542439

new collectors tend to ask a lot of questions before spending money on swords he or she is interested, either by private email or public forums, then they go on a shopping spree. as far as the buyer above, well, he sure does have money to burn, lol.

but then again, it depends on what's the definition of a noobie collector here...

Perhaps not a "noobie", but certainly not intune with current market value. That is an incredible price for a kris in this condition. Perhaps if the ivory were intact...perhaps...

BTW, Ron, i hope i'm not blowing your cover, but who is that guy pictured in you icon?

Spunjer · 12th July 2007, 11:11 PM

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Looks like a barung ferrule on the handle.

lol, a frankenstein of a kris...

david,

nah, you're not blowing my cover, lol. that's my binangon pommel personified...

David · 12th July 2007, 11:20 PM

LOL!!!

So if you think the guy is not a "noob" why do you suppose he would pay so much money on a kris such as this?

5th July 2007, 05:09 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,519	Thanks guys ... Thanks to you all. I agree completely with all that you have said. Thought I must have been missing something "special" here. I would place this as Filipino work, probably no earlier than WWII, and as you have each indicated it was probably overvalued by a factor of 2-3. The monkey head is seen on some northern Luzon knives and swords, notably from Igorot groups, but mainly on pieces made in the 20th C. and for consumption outside the original culture -- even to the point of adding monkey skulls to the scabbards. As Ariel notes, it is unfortunate that some of the more knowledgable collectors seem to have abandoned eBay. Ian.

12th July 2007, 06:56 AM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	doubt if this buyer is a noob: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320134542439 new collectors tend to ask a lot of questions before spending money on swords he or she is interested, either by private email or public forums, then they go on a shopping spree. as far as the buyer above, well, he sure does have money to burn, lol. but then again, it depends on what's the definition of a noobie collector here...

12th July 2007, 10:27 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Certainly a niece piece. With broken blade, broken hilt, and broken scabbard, a fairly steep ticket though...

12th July 2007, 04:24 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I'm probably dense but I can see no reason for a price like that. Must have been a war of wallets. Sad business IMO. Looks like a barung ferrule on the handle.

12th July 2007, 11:20 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	LOL!!! So if you think the guy is not a "noob" why do you suppose he would pay so much money on a kris such as this?