Native American gunstock club

Battara · 10th June 2007, 08:55 PM

Rsword brought this to my house over the weekend and under high magnification the paint is actually a mixture of water based dye and paint that is obsorped inti the wood. IT is darker than the pictures and has patina, making me think that this is actually older and possibly mid-1800s and not later reservation period. The blade is also old and hand forged.

Jim McDougall · 10th June 2007, 10:34 PM

Hi Battara,
Thank you for the update, I was hoping this thread wouldnt end.
Your observations sound right on, and as I had suggested this item probably was from plains tribes in the earlier period you note. As I noted, it is unlikely this would have come from the 'souvenier' period post Wild Bill

and this would indeed be an authentic piece......fantastic!

Thank you for pointing out the type of paint also. In more reading I discovered more on the painting being consistant with these also.

All best regards,
Jim

CharlesS · 11th June 2007, 05:42 AM

I had a chance to study this one with Battara and Rsword this past weekend in Louisville, and my position on it has changes 180 degrees. The patination and paint ...but especially the patination... make me sure this is no new piece.
Rsword will readily admit that his pics do not do it justice, and he's right. I am really not sure any pics would do it justice...this is just one of those really unique pieces you almost have to hold or see in person to appreciate. It's a real gem!

Jim McDougall · 11th June 2007, 04:16 PM

Outstanding Charles!!! Thank you for the update also, and now that you guys have all gotten to handle this piece, it seems Rick has once again struck gold!!!

Rascal!!!

All the best guys,
Jim

10th June 2007, 08:55 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,346	Rsword brought this to my house over the weekend and under high magnification the paint is actually a mixture of water based dye and paint that is obsorped inti the wood. IT is darker than the pictures and has patina, making me think that this is actually older and possibly mid-1800s and not later reservation period. The blade is also old and hand forged.

10th June 2007, 10:34 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Hi Battara, Thank you for the update, I was hoping this thread wouldnt end. Your observations sound right on, and as I had suggested this item probably was from plains tribes in the earlier period you note. As I noted, it is unlikely this would have come from the 'souvenier' period post Wild Bill and this would indeed be an authentic piece......fantastic! Thank you for pointing out the type of paint also. In more reading I discovered more on the painting being consistant with these also. All best regards, Jim

11th June 2007, 05:42 AM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I had a chance to study this one with Battara and Rsword this past weekend in Louisville, and my position on it has changes 180 degrees. The patination and paint ...but especially the patination... make me sure this is no new piece. Rsword will readily admit that his pics do not do it justice, and he's right. I am really not sure any pics would do it justice...this is just one of those really unique pieces you almost have to hold or see in person to appreciate. It's a real gem!

11th June 2007, 04:16 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Outstanding Charles!!! Thank you for the update also, and now that you guys have all gotten to handle this piece, it seems Rick has once again struck gold!!! Rascal!!! All the best guys, Jim