Walang Sinudhuk

Mick · 17th May 2007, 09:23 PM

ganjawulung

Glad you put my nose on the right page. I must have had an "old moment" while leafing through the book. I remember the page but did not pick up on the pamor statement. This is possibly the best representation of this type of pamor around.

Marco

The representations of examples in "Keris Jawa" were taken from actual blades that were in Haryono's hands at one time or another. So this is about as near as you are going to get to a blade in hand.

ganjawulung · 18th May 2007, 06:52 AM

Yeah Mick,

It is easier to get "patterns" name in "damascus pamor". (On Damascus Steel, Leo S Figiel MD, 1991). Or even in Devin Thomas' website (the man who claim the most productive makers in damascus steel patterns). It is easier to imagine his patterns like: Banded Ladder, Firestorm, Reptilian, Spirograph, Sharkstooth, Turkish Twist, Raindrop, Fireball. And all are measurable: including how much dollar are the price of the patterns available per inch...

I think keris world must learn more from their "elder brother", the damascus steel world. I'd like to see keris books as good as Leo S Figiel's book..

Jeff Pringle · 18th May 2007, 08:15 AM

From a technical point of view, it is interesting to note that the pattern called out as "pamor walang sinunduk" on the page I posted and as illustrated in Tammens are composed of two twisted bars, twisted together, the latter two drawings from Haryoguritno/Harsrinuksmo seem to illustrate a pattern formed by removing metal from an untwisted bar. (although the p. 208 illustration is more or less ambiguous)

More photos, please

18th May 2007, 06:52 AM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Patterns Yeah Mick, It is easier to get "patterns" name in "damascus pamor". (On Damascus Steel, Leo S Figiel MD, 1991). Or even in Devin Thomas' website (the man who claim the most productive makers in damascus steel patterns). It is easier to imagine his patterns like: Banded Ladder, Firestorm, Reptilian, Spirograph, Sharkstooth, Turkish Twist, Raindrop, Fireball. And all are measurable: including how much dollar are the price of the patterns available per inch... I think keris world must learn more from their "elder brother", the damascus steel world. I'd like to see keris books as good as Leo S Figiel's book..

17th May 2007, 09:23 PM	#1
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	ganjawulung Glad you put my nose on the right page. I must have had an "old moment" while leafing through the book. I remember the page but did not pick up on the pamor statement. This is possibly the best representation of this type of pamor around. Marco The representations of examples in "Keris Jawa" were taken from actual blades that were in Haryono's hands at one time or another. So this is about as near as you are going to get to a blade in hand.

18th May 2007, 08:15 AM	#3
Jeff Pringle Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 189	From a technical point of view, it is interesting to note that the pattern called out as "pamor walang sinunduk" on the page I posted and as illustrated in Tammens are composed of two twisted bars, twisted together, the latter two drawings from Haryoguritno/Harsrinuksmo seem to illustrate a pattern formed by removing metal from an untwisted bar. (although the p. 208 illustration is more or less ambiguous) More photos, please