Golden keris

BluErf · 12th April 2007, 05:09 PM

Don't even touch this keris with a ten-foot pole.

But if you still like it and want to buy it, don't pay too much for it.

David · 12th April 2007, 05:22 PM

Certainly not worth divorcing over.

Looks like new work to me. The kinatah doesn't look particular well done either.

Henk · 12th April 2007, 06:11 PM

BluErf and David are right!!

Just buy something like this when you're desperately seeking for a reason to divorce.

I think I prefer a bad marriage above loosing money to something like this

cahaya · 13th April 2007, 03:10 AM

Hi,....i think the kinatah is new, the motif of kinatah is lung-lungan of orchid, n the kinatah not ditail work like the older kris specially in the orchid

A. G. Maisey · 13th April 2007, 03:48 AM

Not the best of this type of thing that I've seen, but I wouldn't be prepared to condemn it out of hand. It could well be better in the hand than in the pic. As for price, well, all things have a value, and if the price coincides with the value, then its OK.

David · 13th April 2007, 03:09 PM

You are right Alan. And the image quality of these pictures are tough to read due to some bad photoshop and sizing. It may well look a bit better in hand. I don't think we are condemning this keris outright per se, but given Marco's remarks about price and divorce

i think the implication is that this keris is probably being presented as something it is not. No big surprise there though, i guess.

A. G. Maisey · 14th April 2007, 03:19 AM

Yeah, possibly, but even if it is being presented as exactly what it is, and the rest of the dress---wrongko, pendok--- is good to top quality, it could represent a lot of money.

There's a lot of gold on that blade. Kinatah work is not cheap, and if it is good quality brand new kinatah work, you're looking big money before you go anywhere.

What are stones in the selut and mendak?

What is the material?

What is the level of craftsmanship?

What is the handle material?

Old handle?

Level of quality?

Level of condition?

New handle?

Who made it?

Who made the warangka?

What is the material?

Who made the pendok, what type of pendok?

What material?

What weight of material?

This is the way you appraise a keris. You don't just look at it as a totality and say :- "No!!!"---or alternatively "Yes!!!"

You look at each separate part, calculate the value, add these values, and sometimes add a little extra, or subtract a little extra, because of external factors. If the asking price coincides with the value, you're in business,provided you personally like it. If you don't like it, you pass. If the asking price is silly, you pass. If the asking price is close, you bargain.

Then there's the question of how much expenditure it takes to generate divorce threats. I know a bloke who divorced his wife because she put $100 through a poker machine after he told her not to.

12th April 2007, 05:09 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Don't even touch this keris with a ten-foot pole. But if you still like it and want to buy it, don't pay too much for it.

12th April 2007, 05:22 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	Certainly not worth divorcing over. Looks like new work to me. The kinatah doesn't look particular well done either.

12th April 2007, 06:11 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	BluErf and David are right!! Just buy something like this when you're desperately seeking for a reason to divorce. I think I prefer a bad marriage above loosing money to something like this

13th April 2007, 03:10 AM	#4
cahaya Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 49	Hi,....i think the kinatah is new, the motif of kinatah is lung-lungan of orchid, n the kinatah not ditail work like the older kris specially in the orchid

13th April 2007, 03:48 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Not the best of this type of thing that I've seen, but I wouldn't be prepared to condemn it out of hand. It could well be better in the hand than in the pic. As for price, well, all things have a value, and if the price coincides with the value, then its OK.

13th April 2007, 03:09 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	You are right Alan. And the image quality of these pictures are tough to read due to some bad photoshop and sizing. It may well look a bit better in hand. I don't think we are condemning this keris outright per se, but given Marco's remarks about price and divorce i think the implication is that this keris is probably being presented as something it is not. No big surprise there though, i guess.

14th April 2007, 03:19 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	Yeah, possibly, but even if it is being presented as exactly what it is, and the rest of the dress---wrongko, pendok--- is good to top quality, it could represent a lot of money. There's a lot of gold on that blade. Kinatah work is not cheap, and if it is good quality brand new kinatah work, you're looking big money before you go anywhere. What are stones in the selut and mendak? What is the material? What is the level of craftsmanship? What is the handle material? Old handle? Level of quality? Level of condition? New handle? Who made it? Who made the warangka? What is the material? Who made the pendok, what type of pendok? What material? What weight of material? This is the way you appraise a keris. You don't just look at it as a totality and say :- "No!!!"---or alternatively "Yes!!!" You look at each separate part, calculate the value, add these values, and sometimes add a little extra, or subtract a little extra, because of external factors. If the asking price coincides with the value, you're in business,provided you personally like it. If you don't like it, you pass. If the asking price is silly, you pass. If the asking price is close, you bargain. Then there's the question of how much expenditure it takes to generate divorce threats. I know a bloke who divorced his wife because she put $100 through a poker machine after he told her not to.