An Old Keris

[David]

Originally Posted by oversky

quondam owner

Nice word. I had to look that one up!
I doubt this keris was used much in combat by it's previous owner. It is not really a combat weapon of first choice. I believe it received it's abuse in other ways.
I think the pamor might be wos wutah (scattered rice).

[lelang69]

Hai david and Oversky Nice meet you agin.

Ganja is lost you right David. nice keris david? For you Mr Oversky. yes artificialy this nice keris. But unfortunatly I doubt it. There are many Maduranese made it. the material from old steel or keris and reform to the new keris.

abuse David? Unsold I am sure and smack it down

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Any way it's good keris oversky. I hope you posting your othe nice keris. be sure getting the comment for the expert one.

welcome for the expert of the keris please help Oversky

[oversky]

Thanks, lelang69
This is my first keris. The keris is small and unburliness, I don't think it is useful as WOOZS or other swords in the real war, but I like the veins of blade when I see it in the first time, it's beautiful and different from other swords. I can see the superposition of different materials on the blade. And I remember my friends told me there have aerosiderite in the blade, it's attract me a lot. I want to learn more about keris.

[David]

Lelang, i am not sure i understand your comments about Oversky's keris. Are you saying that you think it is a new Madurese keris made from old keris and then aged to look old?
I do understand that you have difficulty with English (though your English is certainly better than my Indonesian), but perhaps you could clarify your position.
I too would like to know the meaning of the words you posted in reference to me. Once again i must ask you not to post in other languages without a complete translation. Thanks.

[lelang69]

I do understand that you have difficulty with English (though your English is certainly better than my Indonesian), but perhaps you could clarify your position.
I too would like to know the meaning of the words you posted in reference to me. Once again i must ask you not to post in other languages without a complete translation. Thanks.

Your welcome Oversky.

May you get nice keris and complete condition for the next time (sorry for the bad english). and sorry for the large font make moderator and list unconfenient and disappointed.

David thanks , you don't understand of english and Large font of mine but you realy aware it as aware as your private messages to me

[Mans]

Hello dear all... ,


First, I want to say that Oversky is right. He told his keris as Old Made with not original wrangka and handle. And it is a very good expression, especially because he didn't know much about the keris. I really appreciate that, indeed !!

David also absolutely right that the gonjo of this keris was lost. Really pity .... because philosophy of the pesi and gonjo of the keris is shown that everything in the world made coupled ... like man and women (Lingga - Yoni). That beginning of the people's live is came from man and women. And this part cannot be separated (except the keris with used Gonjo Iras).

In the other side, In my experiences, Lelang also right to supposed that this keris is Maduran. But IMO, the Oversky's keris is authentic old made. Not re-blended or revisioned. From style of the blade, luk and iron also pamor, I supposed that this keris is Pamekasan Madura keris (Keris Tangguh Pamekasan) with pamor Kulit Semangka (watermelon skin). The dapur is Kidang Milar (keris luk 9 without Kembang Kacang and Sogokan).

The Maduranese keris usually have atractive / nice pamor. But some Pamekasan Madura keris has rough pamor and iron work. So that why some keris lovers who didn't really familiar with Maduranese keris often supposed that the keris like this is a new made which forged from old blade as row materials, but actually not. This keris has shown the character of Pamekasan keris.

Here I posted another Pamekasan keris for complement in this thread.. ...

Regards!
Hidayat.

[Rick]

A lovely example Mans.

[Kiai Carita]

Originally Posted by Mans

This keris has shown the character of Pamekasan keris.

Here I posted another Pamekasan keris for complement in this thread.. ...

Regards!
Hidayat.

Assalamu'alaekum Pak Manshur,

Thank you for identifying the dhapur of the above keris - for me at least, it saved me opening books and searching! Nice to have you posting with your expertise and experience, not to mention photos!

Obviousely my eyes need more training but they seemed to think that the photo you posted above as an example of a Pamekasan keris has luks decidedly more ringkel than the kemba luks on Oversky's keris. Am I correct in this? Please if you can, could you elaborate on the reasons you think Oversky's is a Pamekasan keris? And what would the dates of the tangguh Pamekasan be, approximately? Thank you in advance.

Wassalam,
Selamat Maulud Nabi S.A.W (Happy Birthday of the Prophet (Peace be Upon Him)

Bram.