Kris Cundrik or kris patrem ?

Pangeran Datu · 11th March 2007, 09:06 PM

G'day all,

Until there is a standard recognised by all:

- 'Cundrik' is used by many people to refer to keris which are smaller than 'normal' (a traditional measure is a handspan or less).
The preferred 'standard' term is 'Patrem'.
- The keris 'Cundrik' form is for straight keris. Its main feature is that it has a very long, plain 'gandik' which is located at the back, i.e. the 'ganja' is reverse-oriented.

Cheers.

A. G. Maisey · 11th March 2007, 10:06 PM

As Pangeran Datu points out, the word cunderik can have a number of meanings.

It is a dapur for a Javanese keris, it is the name of a stabbing weapon found in Lombok, it has been given by some people to a small talismanic weapon.

In Solo it seems to be applied to just about any short dagger that another name cannot be found for.In modern Javanese it means " a short dagger".

Personally, I think the word "cunderik" is a good word to stay away from, if possible.

This little keris is a keris patrem.

Michel · 12th March 2007, 06:04 PM

Thank you for sharing your knowlege.
I conclude that this kris is a kris patrem.

So should be the following one, if I can say :
Kris patrem Palembang, blade of 17.5 cm, handle of 7 cm.

I had to forge a ganja, as it had none, to make the sarong, the original was completely broken and remake a simple mendak. My work can be severely criticized, but is was the only way for me to include it in my panoply of small east Asian weapons.

Michel

Alam Shah · 12th March 2007, 06:54 PM

Hi could we see bigger pictures of the piece, please.

So that we can comment accordingly on the piece and your handiwork.

Btw, nice collection display.
I especially like the kerambit, rencong and tumbuk lada.

12th March 2007, 06:04 PM	#3
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Thank you for sharing your knowlege. I conclude that this kris is a kris patrem. So should be the following one, if I can say : Kris patrem Palembang, blade of 17.5 cm, handle of 7 cm. I had to forge a ganja, as it had none, to make the sarong, the original was completely broken and remake a simple mendak. My work can be severely criticized, but is was the only way for me to include it in my panoply of small east Asian weapons. Michel Attached Images

11th March 2007, 09:06 PM	#1
Pangeran Datu Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 79	G'day all, Until there is a standard recognised by all: - 'Cundrik' is used by many people to refer to keris which are smaller than 'normal' (a traditional measure is a handspan or less). The preferred 'standard' term is 'Patrem'. - The keris 'Cundrik' form is for straight keris. Its main feature is that it has a very long, plain 'gandik' which is located at the back, i.e. the 'ganja' is reverse-oriented. Cheers.

11th March 2007, 10:06 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	As Pangeran Datu points out, the word cunderik can have a number of meanings. It is a dapur for a Javanese keris, it is the name of a stabbing weapon found in Lombok, it has been given by some people to a small talismanic weapon. In Solo it seems to be applied to just about any short dagger that another name cannot be found for.In modern Javanese it means " a short dagger". Personally, I think the word "cunderik" is a good word to stay away from, if possible. This little keris is a keris patrem.

12th March 2007, 06:54 PM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi could we see bigger pictures of the piece, please. So that we can comment accordingly on the piece and your handiwork. Btw, nice collection display. I especially like the kerambit, rencong and tumbuk lada.