help to identify this short weapon

A. G. Maisey · 26th January 2007, 08:36 PM

I find it interesting that you have seen this handle form on Sumatran swords, Ferrylaki. I have only seen this handle form associated with Javanese weapons.

I have checked all recent posts by Utami , and I'm afraid I cannot find a picture of this handle form on a Sumatran sword.

I would appreciate it if you could please provide the date of the post where this handle form can be seen on a Sumatran sword.

Thanks.

Battara · 27th January 2007, 07:48 PM

Not PI/Moro for sure, but I could go with Sumatra. Yes both have pamors, though Java and other Indonesian pieces usually have a rougher texture than PI/Moro ones.

ferrylaki · 29th January 2007, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I find it interesting that you have seen this handle form on Sumatran swords, Ferrylaki. I have only seen this handle form associated with Javanese weapons.

I have checked all recent posts by Utami , and I'm afraid I cannot find a picture of this handle form on a Sumatran sword.

I would appreciate it if you could please provide the date of the post where this handle form can be seen on a Sumatran sword.

Thanks.

see this pictures...about utami's post, I forgot whre I saw it. but I do remember he post many pictures from National Museum of Indonesia....

the first pic show silver colour handle which belong to a west java sword...

second pic is a sumatran stile with VOC sword....as it told.

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2007, 04:00 AM

Thank you very much, Ferrylaki.

I can see photos of two swords,and the handles do have some resemblance to the handle on the sword under discussion, but you have not provided a reference of any type that could confirm these photos as being of swords from Sumatera, or Sunda.

They may well be from Sumatera, or from Sunda---or from Jawa.

Can you provide references?

ferrylaki · 29th January 2007, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thank you very much, Ferrylaki.

I can see photos of two swords,and the handles do have some resemblance to the handle on the sword under discussion, but you have not provided a reference of any type that could confirm these photos as being of swords from Sumatera, or Sunda.

They may well be from Sumatera, or from Sunda---or from Jawa.

Can you provide references?

please see this site ... http://old.blades.free.fr/
you may find several kind of pedang sabet that I ment before.

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2007, 06:18 AM

Thank you for that reference Ferrylaki.

As I said previously:- interesting.

Still, the fact remains that I have only ever seen this handle associated with pedang that could be attributed to Jawa.

If the form can indeed be found as widely dispersed as Jawa, Sunda, and Sumatera, then it causes one to wonder why.

Incidentally, in an earlier post you mentioned that you were located in Solo. May I enquire as to what part of Solo?

ferrylaki · 29th January 2007, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thank you for that reference Ferrylaki.

As I said previously:- interesting.

Still, the fact remains that I have only ever seen this handle associated with pedang that could be attributed to Jawa.

If the form can indeed be found as widely dispersed as Jawa, Sunda, and Sumatera, then it causes one to wonder why.

Incidentally, in an earlier post you mentioned that you were located in Solo. May I enquire as to what part of Solo?

the exact location you mean?
solo/surakarta.....KERTEN...Panti Waloyo Horpital...

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2007, 11:20 AM

Thanks Ferrylaki.

That's down in Lawiyan, isn't it?
I thought it was Panti Waluyo? I could be wrong, only ever been past it.

Nearest I ever lived to that was in Kratonan, these days I`m out at Palur when I'm in Solo.

26th January 2007, 08:36 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	I find it interesting that you have seen this handle form on Sumatran swords, Ferrylaki. I have only seen this handle form associated with Javanese weapons. I have checked all recent posts by Utami , and I'm afraid I cannot find a picture of this handle form on a Sumatran sword. I would appreciate it if you could please provide the date of the post where this handle form can be seen on a Sumatran sword. Thanks.

27th January 2007, 07:48 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,282	Not PI/Moro for sure, but I could go with Sumatra. Yes both have pamors, though Java and other Indonesian pieces usually have a rougher texture than PI/Moro ones.

29th January 2007, 04:00 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Thank you very much, Ferrylaki. I can see photos of two swords,and the handles do have some resemblance to the handle on the sword under discussion, but you have not provided a reference of any type that could confirm these photos as being of swords from Sumatera, or Sunda. They may well be from Sumatera, or from Sunda---or from Jawa. Can you provide references?

29th January 2007, 06:18 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Thank you for that reference Ferrylaki. As I said previously:- interesting. Still, the fact remains that I have only ever seen this handle associated with pedang that could be attributed to Jawa. If the form can indeed be found as widely dispersed as Jawa, Sunda, and Sumatera, then it causes one to wonder why. Incidentally, in an earlier post you mentioned that you were located in Solo. May I enquire as to what part of Solo?

29th January 2007, 11:20 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Thanks Ferrylaki. That's down in Lawiyan, isn't it? I thought it was Panti Waluyo? I could be wrong, only ever been past it. Nearest I ever lived to that was in Kratonan, these days I`m out at Palur when I'm in Solo.