help to identify this short weapon

FenrisWolf · 25th January 2007, 09:07 AM

I've seen these on ebay a number of times; it's a klewang, a Phillipine short sword. I don't know a lot about them beyond that, but the blade on this looks a bit better than average. There appear to be forging patterns under the rust.

kronckew · 25th January 2007, 11:22 AM

definitely a klewang, see this linky for more info: Linky to eth. weapons research site
particularly, click the 'swords' pic, klewangs are halfway down the next page...

Henk · 25th January 2007, 07:50 PM

Looks like a luwuk. A javanese short sword.
Is that a pamor blade?

David · 25th January 2007, 08:01 PM

Call me crazy, but that hilt looks suspiciously Sumatran to me.

I think this is an Indonesian weapon, not from the Philippines.

A. G. Maisey · 25th January 2007, 08:38 PM

If I look at this I see a pedang luwuk.

The handle is a form that is not uncommon in Central Jawa.

The scabbard is typical of low quality items of this type.

Ferrylaki has told us that he is located in Central Jawa.

In 40 years of visiting Central Jawa I cannot recall ever having seen a single weapon from the Philippines.

Pedang luwuk, Jawa Tengah.

FenrisWolf · 25th January 2007, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

If I look at this I see a pedang luwuk.

The handle is a form that is not uncommon in Central Jawa.

The scabbard is typical of low quality items of this type.

Ferrylaki has told us that he is located in Central Jawa.

In 40 years of visiting Central Jawa I cannot recall ever having seen a single weapon from the Philippines.

Pedang luwuk, Jawa Tengah.

That would explain the difference in the blades. Form follows function so it's not surprising that there would be similarities in the overall shape, but weapons from the Phillipines are not normally noted for having visible pamor like this.

Fenris

ferrylaki · 26th January 2007, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

Looks like a luwuk. A javanese short sword.
Is that a pamor blade?

the sword 40 cm over all...I've seen this kind of handle in sumatran sword in the threat posted by utami...the iron seem different from other javanese sword such as pedang pamor... but in my blade seem it is not pamored...only the forging pattern.

A. G. Maisey · 26th January 2007, 08:36 PM

I find it interesting that you have seen this handle form on Sumatran swords, Ferrylaki. I have only seen this handle form associated with Javanese weapons.

I have checked all recent posts by Utami , and I'm afraid I cannot find a picture of this handle form on a Sumatran sword.

I would appreciate it if you could please provide the date of the post where this handle form can be seen on a Sumatran sword.

Thanks.

Battara · 27th January 2007, 07:48 PM

Not PI/Moro for sure, but I could go with Sumatra. Yes both have pamors, though Java and other Indonesian pieces usually have a rougher texture than PI/Moro ones.

ferrylaki · 29th January 2007, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I find it interesting that you have seen this handle form on Sumatran swords, Ferrylaki. I have only seen this handle form associated with Javanese weapons.

I have checked all recent posts by Utami , and I'm afraid I cannot find a picture of this handle form on a Sumatran sword.

I would appreciate it if you could please provide the date of the post where this handle form can be seen on a Sumatran sword.

Thanks.

see this pictures...about utami's post, I forgot whre I saw it. but I do remember he post many pictures from National Museum of Indonesia....

the first pic show silver colour handle which belong to a west java sword...

second pic is a sumatran stile with VOC sword....as it told.

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2007, 04:00 AM

Thank you very much, Ferrylaki.

I can see photos of two swords,and the handles do have some resemblance to the handle on the sword under discussion, but you have not provided a reference of any type that could confirm these photos as being of swords from Sumatera, or Sunda.

They may well be from Sumatera, or from Sunda---or from Jawa.

Can you provide references?

25th January 2007, 09:07 AM	#1
FenrisWolf Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 181	I've seen these on ebay a number of times; it's a klewang, a Phillipine short sword. I don't know a lot about them beyond that, but the blade on this looks a bit better than average. There appear to be forging patterns under the rust.

25th January 2007, 11:22 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,228	definitely a klewang, see this linky for more info: Linky to eth. weapons research site particularly, click the 'swords' pic, klewangs are halfway down the next page...

25th January 2007, 07:50 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Looks like a luwuk. A javanese short sword. Is that a pamor blade?

25th January 2007, 08:01 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	Call me crazy, but that hilt looks suspiciously Sumatran to me. I think this is an Indonesian weapon, not from the Philippines.

25th January 2007, 08:38 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	If I look at this I see a pedang luwuk. The handle is a form that is not uncommon in Central Jawa. The scabbard is typical of low quality items of this type. Ferrylaki has told us that he is located in Central Jawa. In 40 years of visiting Central Jawa I cannot recall ever having seen a single weapon from the Philippines. Pedang luwuk, Jawa Tengah.

26th January 2007, 08:36 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	I find it interesting that you have seen this handle form on Sumatran swords, Ferrylaki. I have only seen this handle form associated with Javanese weapons. I have checked all recent posts by Utami , and I'm afraid I cannot find a picture of this handle form on a Sumatran sword. I would appreciate it if you could please provide the date of the post where this handle form can be seen on a Sumatran sword. Thanks.

27th January 2007, 07:48 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,282	Not PI/Moro for sure, but I could go with Sumatra. Yes both have pamors, though Java and other Indonesian pieces usually have a rougher texture than PI/Moro ones.

29th January 2007, 04:00 AM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Thank you very much, Ferrylaki. I can see photos of two swords,and the handles do have some resemblance to the handle on the sword under discussion, but you have not provided a reference of any type that could confirm these photos as being of swords from Sumatera, or Sunda. They may well be from Sumatera, or from Sunda---or from Jawa. Can you provide references?