Moro or Malaysian Kris?

rasdan · 19th December 2006, 03:11 PM

In an old book Tuhfat al Nafis written in 1865, the kampilan and sundang (written as sandang) are attributed to the Sulus. They are not attributed to the Malay or Bugis although it is used by them. Pls correct me if i'm wrong.

A lotta of moro keris are redressed later in malay dress in Malaysia and Sumatra.

VVV · 19th December 2006, 04:27 PM

Thanks for sharing this info Rasdan!

The only source where I, at the moment, remember claims the Sundang as originating in South Sulawesi is Taman Indera by Sheppard.
But his speciality isn't exactly weapons even if the book has a chapter on Malay weapons.
So your source seems more probable that the Sulu Krisses were redressed in Malaysia etc.
On the Kampilan it's not usually attributed to the Sulu archipelago but Mindanao.

Michael

rasdan · 20th December 2006, 02:53 AM

No worries Micheal. I think its the Bugis that introduced Sundang to the Malays in the 1700's. Thats why the Malay will say that Sundang is from the Bugis and later made their own Malay/Bugis version. But who introduced Sundang to the Bugis? Is it theirs? I cant answer this. I think the Sulus. (no proof available at the moment).

Oh, yes.. in the book Kampilan is said to be used by the Lanun. Iranun perhaps? But i guess that the author is not a weapons specialist afterall. Im still checking on this entire theory actually. Maybe im wrong.

VVV · 20th December 2006, 06:50 AM

Rasdan,

Lanun/Iranun/Illanun etc. is a Mindanao tribe. Some of them later settled in North Borneo, Timor and Sulawesi.
They are the ones that brought the Kampilan to those islands so I think the book is correct on that part (even if they didn't come from Sulu).
They are famous for their pirating raids, sometimes reaching the Malay Peninsular.

Michael

rasdan · 20th December 2006, 07:29 AM

Thanks Micheal, i made mistake in my first post.

19th December 2006, 03:11 PM	#1
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	In an old book Tuhfat al Nafis written in 1865, the kampilan and sundang (written as sandang) are attributed to the Sulus. They are not attributed to the Malay or Bugis although it is used by them. Pls correct me if i'm wrong. A lotta of moro keris are redressed later in malay dress in Malaysia and Sumatra.

19th December 2006, 04:27 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks for sharing this info Rasdan! The only source where I, at the moment, remember claims the Sundang as originating in South Sulawesi is Taman Indera by Sheppard. But his speciality isn't exactly weapons even if the book has a chapter on Malay weapons. So your source seems more probable that the Sulu Krisses were redressed in Malaysia etc. On the Kampilan it's not usually attributed to the Sulu archipelago but Mindanao. Michael

20th December 2006, 02:53 AM	#3
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	No worries Micheal. I think its the Bugis that introduced Sundang to the Malays in the 1700's. Thats why the Malay will say that Sundang is from the Bugis and later made their own Malay/Bugis version. But who introduced Sundang to the Bugis? Is it theirs? I cant answer this. I think the Sulus. (no proof available at the moment). Oh, yes.. in the book Kampilan is said to be used by the Lanun. Iranun perhaps? But i guess that the author is not a weapons specialist afterall. Im still checking on this entire theory actually. Maybe im wrong.

20th December 2006, 06:50 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Rasdan, Lanun/Iranun/Illanun etc. is a Mindanao tribe. Some of them later settled in North Borneo, Timor and Sulawesi. They are the ones that brought the Kampilan to those islands so I think the book is correct on that part (even if they didn't come from Sulu). They are famous for their pirating raids, sometimes reaching the Malay Peninsular. Michael

20th December 2006, 07:29 AM	#5
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Thanks Micheal, i made mistake in my first post.