This one is for Bill Marsh: what is it?

DaveS · 11th December 2006, 03:56 AM

BTW, i also noticed that there are two or three Timor swords each with a different style of handle on ebay and these have names. I don,t know why Van Zonnenveld doesn't give the names for each handle style.......Dave

VVV · 11th December 2006, 06:54 AM

Dave,

I think you can find the names in van Zonneveld if you are thinking about Surik etc?
On your Tanimbar sword have a close look at the bone when you get it.
I have been told that it's not whale bone but dolphin bone used for the handles of those.

Michael

CharlesS · 11th December 2006, 04:22 PM

Bill Marsh and I both learned the hard way two years ago that these swords are currently being reproduced by Balinese artisans, using old material, and copying carving styles. The blades have a much more machined look than the old ones.

I hope this is not a repeat of the same mistakes, but I suspect it is not an old example. Hope I'm wrong.

Bill M · 11th December 2006, 09:40 PM

DaveS is Mr. Lonna. The other half of the Semi-Legendary Couple.

True Tanimbar swords are very rare and expensive. I saw one sell at one of the big auction houses for $7,000.

Here is my example. It could be real. Could be. Did I emphasize COULD BE?. Well, might be.

It must have dolphin bone ....

Now, Chumley the dog is real and is alseep next to some Moro armor. He feels safe there.... well, he is not really alseep. Just watching out for Timor dolphins.

DaveS · 11th December 2006, 09:40 PM

Charles: I hope so too!!!!!!!!!!. But if it isn't an old one it wouldn't be the first time we have been fooled, and it probably won't be the last......Dave.

DaveS · 11th December 2006, 09:46 PM

Bill: I really think that moro armor would be safer at my house......Dave

VVV · 11th December 2006, 10:28 PM

Dave,

You wanted a name on this Moluccan sword.
Local name is kra' silai (kra' means sword and silai has the meaning of duel).
And that's what it's used for by the Yamdena warriors.
(My source is Juynboll, don't speak the local language myself

)

Michael

Dajak · 12th December 2006, 12:19 AM

Hi I think this is not an old molukken sword
the older ones looks very different and are much more expensive

Ben

11th December 2006, 09:40 PM	#4
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	DaveS is Mr. Lonna. The other half of the Semi-Legendary Couple. True Tanimbar swords are very rare and expensive. I saw one sell at one of the big auction houses for $7,000. Here is my example. It could be real. Could be. Did I emphasize COULD BE?. Well, might be. It must have dolphin bone .... Now, Chumley the dog is real and is alseep next to some Moro armor. He feels safe there.... well, he is not really alseep. Just watching out for Timor dolphins. Attached Images

11th December 2006, 03:56 AM	#1
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	BTW, i also noticed that there are two or three Timor swords each with a different style of handle on ebay and these have names. I don,t know why Van Zonnenveld doesn't give the names for each handle style.......Dave

11th December 2006, 06:54 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Dave, I think you can find the names in van Zonneveld if you are thinking about Surik etc? On your Tanimbar sword have a close look at the bone when you get it. I have been told that it's not whale bone but dolphin bone used for the handles of those. Michael

11th December 2006, 04:22 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Bill Marsh and I both learned the hard way two years ago that these swords are currently being reproduced by Balinese artisans, using old material, and copying carving styles. The blades have a much more machined look than the old ones. I hope this is not a repeat of the same mistakes, but I suspect it is not an old example. Hope I'm wrong.

11th December 2006, 09:46 PM	#6
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Bill: I really think that moro armor would be safer at my house......Dave

11th December 2006, 10:28 PM	#7
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Dave, You wanted a name on this Moluccan sword. Local name is kra' silai (kra' means sword and silai has the meaning of duel). And that's what it's used for by the Yamdena warriors. (My source is Juynboll, don't speak the local language myself ) Michael

12th December 2006, 12:19 AM	#8
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi I think this is not an old molukken sword the older ones looks very different and are much more expensive Ben