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Rivkin · 16th February 2005, 08:14 PM

Eirkhan, I think that shashka is "gurda" - I think I see the "jaws". I've seen these guys getting 1000$-2000$ or so... The sword - is not it a USMC Mamluk sword ?

erlikhan · 16th February 2005, 08:28 PM

Rivkin, if you mean the dot and curve stamps on the blade by "jaws", right. I don't know the specialities of "gurda". Can you pls tell more ? But i can say the price level is same here.
"United States Marines" writes on the American.

Rick · 16th February 2005, 08:46 PM

Google strikes again !
http://www.marines.com/about_marines/thesword.asp
History of the US Marine mameluke sword .

Rivkin · 16th February 2005, 08:49 PM

Gurda is what is considered to be the highest grade of shashka. There are two theories concerning the origin:
1. It is a perverted Genoese symbolics of two toothsaw-like arches.
2. It is similar to german Eisenhauer - something that can chop iron, as jaws chop food.

Gurda therefore is either a perferted Genoa or it's from a chechen "Gurda" - "look", supposedly this used to be said before doing something distinguishing.

Gurda can be recongized by the symbol of two arches with small lines ("teeth") running perpendicular to them.

The american sword is probably a vintage US Marine core Officer sword.

erlikhan · 16th February 2005, 09:20 PM

Thanks for the info. Can't have much age. Not real ivory. Plastic. There are both types on ebay at the moment. Ivory hilt on ww2 Marine. i guess not long after ww2 they started to use plastic instead of ivory, right?

Rivkin · 16th February 2005, 10:50 PM

Well, that's _the_ reason I don't collect shashkas - overblown, speculative market for some modern things with "jaws" or "wolves" on them, going for the price of a good XVII century sword.

erlikhan · 16th February 2005, 11:27 PM

hmm.there is no problem with shashka or -gurda. Everything including the stamps is old. I meant the marine sword as "new", not shashka. It has date "1321" - 1905 on the scabbard and Islamic inscriptions
regards

Rivkin · 17th February 2005, 12:07 AM

Fugh, sorry I was a little bit hasty - well, yes, it's understood that the marine sword is a new one.

16th February 2005, 08:14 PM	#1
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Eirkhan, I think that shashka is "gurda" - I think I see the "jaws". I've seen these guys getting 1000$-2000$ or so... The sword - is not it a USMC Mamluk sword ? Last edited by Rivkin; 16th February 2005 at 08:25 PM.

16th February 2005, 08:28 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Rivkin, if you mean the dot and curve stamps on the blade by "jaws", right. I don't know the specialities of "gurda". Can you pls tell more ? But i can say the price level is same here. "United States Marines" writes on the American.

16th February 2005, 08:46 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,366	Google strikes again ! http://www.marines.com/about_marines/thesword.asp History of the US Marine mameluke sword .

16th February 2005, 08:49 PM	#4
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Gurda is what is considered to be the highest grade of shashka. There are two theories concerning the origin: 1. It is a perverted Genoese symbolics of two toothsaw-like arches. 2. It is similar to german Eisenhauer - something that can chop iron, as jaws chop food. Gurda therefore is either a perferted Genoa or it's from a chechen "Gurda" - "look", supposedly this used to be said before doing something distinguishing. Gurda can be recongized by the symbol of two arches with small lines ("teeth") running perpendicular to them. The american sword is probably a vintage US Marine core Officer sword.

16th February 2005, 09:20 PM	#5
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Thanks for the info. Can't have much age. Not real ivory. Plastic. There are both types on ebay at the moment. Ivory hilt on ww2 Marine. i guess not long after ww2 they started to use plastic instead of ivory, right?

16th February 2005, 10:50 PM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Well, that's _the_ reason I don't collect shashkas - overblown, speculative market for some modern things with "jaws" or "wolves" on them, going for the price of a good XVII century sword.

16th February 2005, 11:27 PM	#7
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	hmm.there is no problem with shashka or -gurda. Everything including the stamps is old. I meant the marine sword as "new", not shashka. It has date "1321" - 1905 on the scabbard and Islamic inscriptions regards

17th February 2005, 12:07 AM	#8
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Fugh, sorry I was a little bit hasty - well, yes, it's understood that the marine sword is a new one.