Ancestors of modern sabers

TVV · 6th December 2006, 03:55 AM

Wouldn't it be easier to simply upload these articles, which are in electronic format or easy to scan, somewhere? I can arrange hosting for a certain amount of time.
Here is what I have in electronic format (scanned and pdf-ed):

Кирпичников А. Н. Древнерусское оружие. Вып. 1. Мечи и сабли ІХ-ХІІІ вв. САИ. E1-36. M.1966.

Йотов, Валери - "Въоръжението и Снаряжението от Първото Българско Царство (VII - IX век)" - the chapter on sabres (A catalogue of all known archaeological finds from the 7th to the 9th centuries on the territory of nowadays Bulgaria. Anyone who can read Russian would be able to understand the vital information in the text - dating, measurements, and location of the finds).

I personally could not agree more that a non-biased, comprehensive study of the swords used by the Peoples inhabitting Eastern Europe and Western Asia in the middle ages is really needed, as Eastern European scholars tend to be under nationalistic influences - for example there is a tendency in Bulgaria for archeologists attributing almost every find to the Bulgars, as opposed to Magyars, Avars, Cumans and other ethnicities using similar weapons, who passed through the same lands. However, I am not an academian, just a collector and part-time enthusiast, and all I can do is just gather as much information as I can and then pass it on to people I know, who might actually be willing to study the subject thoroughly and write a major work on it.
Regards,
Teodor

Rivkin · 6th December 2006, 06:26 AM

Space is not a problem - I have a website. However, I would not want to post it for everyone to see, so here is what I think:

a. Everyone who wants to see my materials, please e-mail me using our forum.
b. Since most of the materials are in word I can use a robot to translate it from russian to english. Would it be desirable or not ?

I will need two weeks to do it.

Rivkin · 6th December 2006, 05:14 PM

Gentlemen,

Thank you for all the information I received in emails. I need an advice on whether to put the information in "bastardized" english translation, or in russian original.

I have a conference in January, but will do the best I can to put the material on the web ASAP.

Sincerely yours,

Kirill Rivkin

tsubame1 · 6th December 2006, 07:47 PM

I'm italian and, sadly, accustomed to ancient items looting.
Noone here realize that all those weapons are *looted* ?
That such an antique sword worths *nothing* without the information that
comes from the site where they were excavated from ?
This is a shame because of such *findings* in reality make all of us poorest
considering the amount of info lost, as to say other items found with them,
context, correct location and so on. A shame.

Rivkin · 20th December 2006, 08:50 PM

Second update of my literature database is now available. If you have not received the address of the database either I failed to send it to you (Chris Evans, your email does not work), or you have not pmed or emailed me asking to be included in the distrbution.

The new material: a few articles in the "Steppe" section, review of early ranged weapons (crossbows, bows and etc) by Medvedev, Catalogues of selected Russian museums.

All literature is in Russian and since most of the people did not want to see a "robotic" english translation, it is in Russian only.

Chris Evans · 20th December 2006, 11:35 PM

Hi Rivkin,

[QUOTE=(Chris Evans, your email does not work), .[/QUOTE]

My e-mail address is: hotham@ihug.com.au

Let me assure you that it works because of huge amounts of spam that I get. Please put in the header "RIVKIN"

Many thanks
Chris

6th December 2006, 03:55 AM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Wouldn't it be easier to simply upload these articles, which are in electronic format or easy to scan, somewhere? I can arrange hosting for a certain amount of time. Here is what I have in electronic format (scanned and pdf-ed): Кирпичников А. Н. Древнерусское оружие. Вып. 1. Мечи и сабли ІХ-ХІІІ вв. САИ. E1-36. M.1966. Йотов, Валери - "Въоръжението и Снаряжението от Първото Българско Царство (VII - IX век)" - the chapter on sabres (A catalogue of all known archaeological finds from the 7th to the 9th centuries on the territory of nowadays Bulgaria. Anyone who can read Russian would be able to understand the vital information in the text - dating, measurements, and location of the finds). I personally could not agree more that a non-biased, comprehensive study of the swords used by the Peoples inhabitting Eastern Europe and Western Asia in the middle ages is really needed, as Eastern European scholars tend to be under nationalistic influences - for example there is a tendency in Bulgaria for archeologists attributing almost every find to the Bulgars, as opposed to Magyars, Avars, Cumans and other ethnicities using similar weapons, who passed through the same lands. However, I am not an academian, just a collector and part-time enthusiast, and all I can do is just gather as much information as I can and then pass it on to people I know, who might actually be willing to study the subject thoroughly and write a major work on it. Regards, Teodor

6th December 2006, 06:26 AM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Space is not a problem - I have a website. However, I would not want to post it for everyone to see, so here is what I think: a. Everyone who wants to see my materials, please e-mail me using our forum. b. Since most of the materials are in word I can use a robot to translate it from russian to english. Would it be desirable or not ? I will need two weeks to do it.

6th December 2006, 05:14 PM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Gentlemen, Thank you for all the information I received in emails. I need an advice on whether to put the information in "bastardized" english translation, or in russian original. I have a conference in January, but will do the best I can to put the material on the web ASAP. Sincerely yours, Kirill Rivkin

6th December 2006, 07:47 PM	#4
tsubame1 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Magenta, Northern Italy Posts: 123	I'm italian and, sadly, accustomed to ancient items looting. Noone here realize that all those weapons are looted ? That such an antique sword worths nothing without the information that comes from the site where they were excavated from ? This is a shame because of such findings in reality make all of us poorest considering the amount of info lost, as to say other items found with them, context, correct location and so on. A shame.

20th December 2006, 08:50 PM	#5
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Second update of my literature database is now available. If you have not received the address of the database either I failed to send it to you (Chris Evans, your email does not work), or you have not pmed or emailed me asking to be included in the distrbution. The new material: a few articles in the "Steppe" section, review of early ranged weapons (crossbows, bows and etc) by Medvedev, Catalogues of selected Russian museums. All literature is in Russian and since most of the people did not want to see a "robotic" english translation, it is in Russian only.

20th December 2006, 11:35 PM	#6
Chris Evans Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 685	Hi Rivkin, [QUOTE=(Chris Evans, your email does not work), .[/QUOTE] My e-mail address is: hotham@ihug.com.au Let me assure you that it works because of huge amounts of spam that I get. Please put in the header "RIVKIN" Many thanks Chris