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Old 27th November 2006, 06:37 PM   #1
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Hi Michael you see that it is rare blade with the 2 crowits on an convex concave blade I try too look up the handle in Hein but nothing like it
I have to ask Arjan about it he make s a study about Mandau Handle s

Let me know if you see handle or blade like it


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Old 28th November 2006, 07:16 AM   #2
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Here is another odd Iban parang.
It has a "half-crowit" and the point is not as pronounced as for a Langgai Tinggang or a Niabor.
The long blade is flat with fullers and incised with phyllomorphic design on both sides. Look carefully at the point and you can see the design.

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Some other handles
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Old 28th November 2006, 10:08 AM   #4
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Hi Michael yes There is no classification for this type so I called it sea dayak sword or mandau sometimes you see campilans on north borneo with the same point (not the design but is very nice we find these on Jimpulls)
this could be also be an transition sword between the Iban and other dayaks
The short handle is typicall Iban .

Nice Kenya/ Kayan handle s Marcokeris

here an old style handle as we can see in Qeur Durch Borneo very different from what we see on the later mandau s
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Old 28th November 2006, 03:49 PM   #5
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Hi Michael yes There is no classification for this type so I called it sea dayak sword or mandau sometimes you see campilans on north borneo with the same point (not the design but is very nice we find these on Jimpulls)
this could be also be an transition sword between the Iban and other dayaks
The short handle is typicall Iban .
Hi Ben,

Sea Dayak sword seems to be a fitting name until it has been classified.
I haven't seen any other Dayak parang resembling this one so far.

Nice hilts Marcokeris and Ben!

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Old 30th November 2006, 08:57 AM   #6
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Hi Arjan can you take a look in leiden about this handle ??

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Old 30th November 2006, 09:43 AM   #7
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Ben,

I don't think Leiden is the proper place to find resembling hilts to ours.
This because of the non Iban bias in their collection.
I had a look myself in their collection archive and didn't find any close to yours.
On my hilt it looks clearly influenced by two of the old Kenyah hilts collected by Nieuwenhuis?
By influenced I mean that that's the closest resemblence of the hilts in their collection. Not that they are identical in style.
Maybe the Kenyah resemblence is another reason to classify this as a transition sword before the Iban adopted the Ilang as their own parang?
Here is a picture of the hilt from another angle for comparison.

Michael

PS Don't you think your hilt a bit resembles the old ones in Tromp's article, collected in Koetei?
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Old 5th December 2006, 09:41 PM   #8
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Hi Arjan can you take a look in leiden about this handle ??

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Hi Ben,
sorry for the late reaction I was very busy making www.thehornbill.com
so I didn't have any time to answer.
The discussion is very interesting.
Leiden has as far as I have seen not a mandauhilt like the one you listed in the beginning of this thread.
what I think is that it is maybe an Iban imitation of a Modang hilt.
the shape is very rare and I don't think you'll find easy another like this.
on the silverwork: I know that the Maloh tribe who produced as well as the brass corsets for the Iban also most of the silverwork.they are likely originated from a mixed race of indigenes and Hindu -Javanese invaders.
This could declare the more ar less "non-Iban" style in the silverwork.
(source: metalworking in Borneo ,V.T King and J.W.Christie)

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