Jezail rifle. Unusual version ?

ward · 26th November 2006, 04:53 PM

check Firearms of the Islamic World by Robert Elgood page 169. I have a similar example in my collection. If I get a chance will take pics

fernando · 26th November 2006, 05:09 PM

Thanks a lot for your help, Ward.
I will love to see those pictures, whenever you post them.
fernando

The Double D · 26th November 2006, 06:17 PM

I'd like to se a square on shot of the muzzle, but from this angle, this looks like ratchet rifling.

fernando · 26th November 2006, 07:16 PM

Thanks Double D
Will these do ?
Would this be some kind of ratchet system ?

ward · 26th November 2006, 07:19 PM

here is pics obviously the top one notice the distinct hook but and the immediate drop of the stock after the tang screw. afghan jezail tend to be more of a gentle slope. compare it to to the afghan jezail below it

fernando · 26th November 2006, 07:58 PM

Thank you ever so much, Ward.
These pictures are an excelent point of reference for me.
Very nice pieces.
That barrel rifling is perfect.
Thanks again
fernando

The Double D · 27th November 2006, 03:30 AM

The slightly angled pictures do appear to be rachet rifling, but the straight on picture makes it very clear it's not. Each corner is more a trough than a groove.

Philip · 30th November 2006, 11:58 PM

Hi, Fernando
Interesting piece. Indeed, this is a Sind rifle, the percussion lock indicates second half 19th cent. up to early 20th as previously noted. The shape of the lock is patterned after the style used on British Enfield rifle-muskets, which have seen combat in the Crimean War, the American Civil War, and so forth. Many of these guns were convered to breech-loading in the early 1870s (the Snider system) so they were widespread throughout the British Empire.

I suspect that the barrel on your gun is much older, with the breech altered to accept a percussion bolster and nipple. The configuration of your barrel could well indicate Persian manufacture. Without inscriptions it can be difficult to date these, but good quality ones remained in service for a long, long time.

Many of these old Persian (and Indian) barrels are of twist damascus steel. HAVE YOU TAKEN YOUR GUN APART? Often, the portion of the barrel covered by wood is less corroded and a damascus pattern might be visible.

The rifling is consistent with traditional rifled firearms of Iran and Turkey. You find this style also in the bores of rifles made in the Germanic countries prior to the 18th cent. The grooves are narrow troughs, almost always an odd number (generally 7 or 9).

26th November 2006, 07:16 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks Double D Will these do ? Would this be some kind of ratchet system ? Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 26th November 2006 at 07:39 PM.

26th November 2006, 07:19 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	here is pics obviously the top one notice the distinct hook but and the immediate drop of the stock after the tang screw. afghan jezail tend to be more of a gentle slope. compare it to to the afghan jezail below it Attached Images

30th November 2006, 11:58 PM	#8
Philip Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 1,036	observations on lock and possibly damascus barrel Hi, Fernando Interesting piece. Indeed, this is a Sind rifle, the percussion lock indicates second half 19th cent. up to early 20th as previously noted. The shape of the lock is patterned after the style used on British Enfield rifle-muskets, which have seen combat in the Crimean War, the American Civil War, and so forth. Many of these guns were convered to breech-loading in the early 1870s (the Snider system) so they were widespread throughout the British Empire. I suspect that the barrel on your gun is much older, with the breech altered to accept a percussion bolster and nipple. The configuration of your barrel could well indicate Persian manufacture. Without inscriptions it can be difficult to date these, but good quality ones remained in service for a long, long time. Many of these old Persian (and Indian) barrels are of twist damascus steel. HAVE YOU TAKEN YOUR GUN APART? Often, the portion of the barrel covered by wood is less corroded and a damascus pattern might be visible. The rifling is consistent with traditional rifled firearms of Iran and Turkey. You find this style also in the bores of rifles made in the Germanic countries prior to the 18th cent. The grooves are narrow troughs, almost always an odd number (generally 7 or 9).

26th November 2006, 04:53 PM	#1
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	check Firearms of the Islamic World by Robert Elgood page 169. I have a similar example in my collection. If I get a chance will take pics

26th November 2006, 05:09 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks a lot for your help, Ward. I will love to see those pictures, whenever you post them. fernando

26th November 2006, 06:17 PM	#3
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	I'd like to se a square on shot of the muzzle, but from this angle, this looks like ratchet rifling.

26th November 2006, 07:58 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you ever so much, Ward. These pictures are an excelent point of reference for me. Very nice pieces. That barrel rifling is perfect. Thanks again fernando

27th November 2006, 03:30 AM	#7
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	The slightly angled pictures do appear to be rachet rifling, but the straight on picture makes it very clear it's not. Each corner is more a trough than a groove.