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18th November 2006, 04:06 AM
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HI Albert and don t forget there is a lot off missing off the collection in Leiden
i heard from someone that has been there for his study that a lot off objects might been stolen or disappear . THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION BUT THEY STOPPED THIS BECAUSE TO MUCH MISSING . Ben |
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18th November 2006, 10:25 PM
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These spearpoint (bayu?) madaus do not (except for the one in hte b&w pic) seem to be truly double edged, but to have a false edge bevelled more for thrusting than for cutting?
The wide triangular dagger bears an interesting resemblance to modern Moro gunongs/punals, as does the narrow dagger to tombaks and tombak daggers. |
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19th November 2006, 09:37 AM
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Hi Tom these mandau s are no spearpoints and they are double edged
some have one side hollow flat other side same hollow flat like the normal parang ihlang . they are very sharp both sides. Ben |
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4th December 2006, 06:23 PM
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You misunderstand me. THe term spearpoint is used by N American cutlers (etc.) to designate a blade with a symetrically centralized point.
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16th February 2007, 01:16 PM
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BORNEO SPEAR RESEMBLING A DOHONG
A friend has this spear in his collection (well actually in a corner of his cellar, but he is sadly not considering to let it go
 )take a look at the dohong in Zonneveld's, the decoration at the base, the way the sides are sharpened only from one side of the blade. This blade seems very much a spearhead to me, but the dohong in Zonneveld is now a puzzle to me. is it a dagger or a spearhead hilted as a dagger 
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17th February 2007, 04:14 PM
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Hi Willem,
I also believe that some of the Dohong are remounted spearheads. And then there seems to be another version which is more like a sword blade (maybe ancestor of the Bayu?). Probably Dohong is several, actually different, versions of old (pre 20th C) double-edged Dayak blades grouped together as one classification? Michael |
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17th February 2007, 07:57 PM
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Hi Michael and Willem this is not an Dohun Michael you see also an very big
spearhead in Kopenhagen the Dayaks have very big spear heads but don t make them dohun s Ben |
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17th February 2007, 10:20 PM
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No I don't think that Willem's example is a Dohong. But I suspect that some of the Dohongs were made of old spear heads. Like f.i. the version below that are both found as spear heads and mounted as a Dohong. Or maybe it's the Dohong blades that are mounted as spears as well? Michael |
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18th February 2007, 04:27 PM
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Hello Michael,
Interesting photo! From which publication is it? Albert |
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18th February 2007, 08:25 PM
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Hi Michael I think you are right when you say that dohuns are made from spearheads .
They where only used at funurals as ceremonium knife s never as weapons and we see a lot off spearheads in the Indonesian archipalo mounted as knife s . Ben |
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17th February 2007, 08:44 PM
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Here some pics
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