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30th October 2006, 05:07 PM
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Hello,
Ariel posted a similar yataghan a while ago http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=flyssa Such occurances were mentioned by Camille Lacoste-Dujardin in "Sabre Kabyles, Etude des Flissa du Musée de l'Homme", Journal de la Société des Africanistes, XXVIII, 1958. Particularly, she observes that imported Ottoman yataghan blades were re-fitted in Algiers and Oran with local Kabyle scabbards. Some yataghan blades were even forged locally by smiths who had travelled and worked in the empire. This makes me wonder...by the time Kabyles were importing classical yataghan blades, they were using their own scabbards...so why would they possess an indigenous scabbard form if not for an indigenous sword? Jim and Ham, could you provide Ottoman carvings similar to those on this sword or some reference concerning them? Regards, Emanuel |
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30th October 2006, 05:13 PM
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North African Yatghan in Flyssa scabbard
This is indeed the same Yataghan. I will gladly post photos when restoration is completed.
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30th October 2006, 05:27 PM
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This might be totally irrelevant and the quality of the picture is very bad. The guy in the picture seems to have a very long and distinctive type of yatagan, if it is a yatagan and I am not making it up. Any opinions?
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30th October 2006, 05:43 PM
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It might be that many of these weapons with such mixed influences are from much older forms pan mediterranean/black sea. With examples developing local and national flavour and given different names. Modify the shape of the blade only slightly especially with the more knife sized examples and they could come from almost anywhere in the regions mentioned. Only the scabbards, handles and decoration hinting as to who used them.
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30th October 2006, 09:57 PM
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Well, it surprises me that anybody brought it up yet, but i have a similar example in my collection wich was discussed here some time ago.
It is definetly a weapon of the same type, but lacking in decoration. and it is definetly an old flyssa! Ham, the pictures above could be deciving. The determinant factor is the tang.Yataghans have a full and wide tang, wich flyssas have not. Look at the notch on the backedge, another typical flyssa sign. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=flyssa Manolo, have you got it? I saw it too, but forgot to bid (as usually)  , NICE ONE!
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30th October 2006, 10:14 PM
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Valjhun, I linked to your thread in post #6
 I also got to it too late, I've been dying to get one for the longest time. This one is indeed almost identical to yours, with the addition of the deep carving on the side of the blade. So far only Ham and Jim have indicated he has seen these before...does anyone else have examples of such carving on flyssa - or yataghan for that matter. I do not have Tirri's book...could anyone post the picture referred by Jim? Emanuel |
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30th October 2006, 10:51 PM
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It seems that the rolling scroll motif is a common design on flyssa swords. I still feel that the longer straighter flyssa were more of a calvary sword while the shorter ones like the first one shown was more of a hack and slash weapon. The one that I have posted has a 3ft blade and is quiet unwieldy to be used in close quarter fighting.
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