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fenlander · 17th October 2006, 03:08 PM

Hi Ian

Actually in Taiwan it is far more complicated. It was actually bought in China not Taiwan so it is very complicated. Although Taiwan is still a part of China (that is all under debate as you know of course). However I have been hesitating to take it to the museum for that reason (national palace museum). But as I am now fairly sure that it is a reproduction, (but I think a far earlier one than the norm) I am not so worried. One thing about Taiwan is that the law is very flexible depending how they get up in the morning or if the enforcer of the law has just had an argument with his wife. It is very flexible depending on who is enforcing it, and every department always sends you to another department.
I'll go to the museum on Friday.

regards
Douglas

Mark · 17th October 2006, 10:34 PM

There is a man in Taiwan who has an amazing collection of Chinese bronze swords, C.H. Wang. When I was visiting Longquan last winter, I got a look at a copy of a book/catalogue he wrote, which is absolutely gorgeous:

Wang, C.H. with Li Xueqin, Yang Hong, & Ma Chengyuan. Shang and Zhou Chinese Bronze Weaponry: The C.H. Wang Collection. Published by the Author, Taipei, Taiwan 1993.

Anyway, he might be an "unofficial" source that might help you confirm the age of that sword.

fenlander · 18th October 2006, 04:17 PM

Thank you very much. I will try to find out how to contact him. That is a good idea. I will also look for his book.

Regards

Douglas

yuanzhumin · 23rd October 2006, 02:23 AM

Hi Everybody,
Doug, I also live in Taiwan and have a collection of antiques (Chinese, Taiwanese but mostly Taiwanese aboriginals). I bought some artworks/items and sold some abroad, and I didn't have any trouble. In fact, there is no law here in Taiwan to rule the export/import of antiques. I saw here, at antique shops, some statues or works referenced in books 15 years ago on their original location, a temple in a chinese remote province. They were stolen and finally sold here quasi-openly. The same with Khmer art 10 years ago when I saw litterally big pieces of the famous Angkor Wat sold also openly here, but I guess this kind of art has become so hot now that they would not dare do it again.
Anyway, Taiwan is an outcasted country because of its political situation with China. As the island has been refused the entrance to most of the international organisation(except the WTO - money and trade will always rule !), it has no obligation to follow most of the international law. Concerning the art and the national heritage, Taiwan would like to be a member of the UNESCO and sign all the international convention on the trade of arts, but China, that is a already member, is strictly opposed to it. So no way for Taiwan.
Anyway, authorities in Taiwan are very responsible, and even if they are not obliged to comply, they are still ususally following the international rules. But for the time on, there is no legal restriction on art import/export here.
yuanzhumin

fenlander · 23rd October 2006, 08:00 AM

Thanks for the information. Are you in Taipei ? If so may be you could check out that sword for me ?? Anyway if you want to meet let me know.
You can contact me at
brassicaman@yahoo.com
Are you an expert in antique weapons as I would love to learn more

All the best
Douglas

17th October 2006, 03:08 PM	#1
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	surrender Hi Ian Actually in Taiwan it is far more complicated. It was actually bought in China not Taiwan so it is very complicated. Although Taiwan is still a part of China (that is all under debate as you know of course). However I have been hesitating to take it to the museum for that reason (national palace museum). But as I am now fairly sure that it is a reproduction, (but I think a far earlier one than the norm) I am not so worried. One thing about Taiwan is that the law is very flexible depending how they get up in the morning or if the enforcer of the law has just had an argument with his wife. It is very flexible depending on who is enforcing it, and every department always sends you to another department. I'll go to the museum on Friday. regards Douglas

18th October 2006, 04:17 PM	#3
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	interesting Thank you very much. I will try to find out how to contact him. That is a good idea. I will also look for his book. Regards Douglas

23rd October 2006, 08:00 AM	#5
fenlander Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 62	Hi Thanks for the information. Are you in Taipei ? If so may be you could check out that sword for me ?? Anyway if you want to meet let me know. You can contact me at brassicaman@yahoo.com Are you an expert in antique weapons as I would love to learn more All the best Douglas Last edited by fenlander; 23rd October 2006 at 08:01 AM. Reason: mistake made

17th October 2006, 10:34 PM	#2
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	There is a man in Taiwan who has an amazing collection of Chinese bronze swords, C.H. Wang. When I was visiting Longquan last winter, I got a look at a copy of a book/catalogue he wrote, which is absolutely gorgeous: Wang, C.H. with Li Xueqin, Yang Hong, & Ma Chengyuan. Shang and Zhou Chinese Bronze Weaponry: The C.H. Wang Collection. Published by the Author, Taipei, Taiwan 1993. Anyway, he might be an "unofficial" source that might help you confirm the age of that sword.

23rd October 2006, 02:23 AM	#4
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	Hi Everybody, Doug, I also live in Taiwan and have a collection of antiques (Chinese, Taiwanese but mostly Taiwanese aboriginals). I bought some artworks/items and sold some abroad, and I didn't have any trouble. In fact, there is no law here in Taiwan to rule the export/import of antiques. I saw here, at antique shops, some statues or works referenced in books 15 years ago on their original location, a temple in a chinese remote province. They were stolen and finally sold here quasi-openly. The same with Khmer art 10 years ago when I saw litterally big pieces of the famous Angkor Wat sold also openly here, but I guess this kind of art has become so hot now that they would not dare do it again. Anyway, Taiwan is an outcasted country because of its political situation with China. As the island has been refused the entrance to most of the international organisation(except the WTO - money and trade will always rule !), it has no obligation to follow most of the international law. Concerning the art and the national heritage, Taiwan would like to be a member of the UNESCO and sign all the international convention on the trade of arts, but China, that is a already member, is strictly opposed to it. So no way for Taiwan. Anyway, authorities in Taiwan are very responsible, and even if they are not obliged to comply, they are still ususally following the international rules. But for the time on, there is no legal restriction on art import/export here. yuanzhumin