Murut Swords

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 06:27 AM

Very nice collection, Ben. Thanks for posting.

I would appreciate comments on mine.

Dajak · 16th October 2006, 08:30 AM

Hi Bill thanks for sending the pics I think this is an later type off pakayun the wooden handle is to long the brass piece too short the blade looks good.
Is it laminated the blade ???

It is different what we see on the old pakayuns also the scabbard different has no carving on it.

I have not see this type off pakayun at any pics off muruts nore in any book
so that is why I say it must be an later type .
But the blade might be from an old pakayun so might also be a new repair to an old blade.

You find these short brass collars on the other type off murut swords
but their blade are not so long.

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Bill thanks for sending the pics I think this is an later type off pakayun the wooden handle is to long the brass piece too short the blade looks good.
Is it laminated the blade ???

It is different what we see on the old pakayuns also the scabbard different has no carving on it.

I have not see this type off pakayun at any pics off muruts nore in any book
so that is why I say it must be an later type .
But the blade might be from an old pakayun so might also be a new repair to an old blade.

You find these short brass collars on the other type off murut swords
but their blade are not so long.

Benny,

Thank you for your well thought out reply. I am unfamilair with these pieces, but like ithe patina on the handle.

I value your opinion because I know that you have been collecting in these areas for about 30 years and studied them well! I would call you an expert! And a nice guy!

The blade does seem to be laminated. It is also quite thick and heavy. A few nicks, but overall good condition.

Can you tell me more about what does "later" mean? Any idea of what year?

I can see that the handles on yours are shorter. Could this have been made for a larger person? My blade length is about 30 inches (76.2 cm) and the handle is about 6" (15.24 cm).

The workmanship seems solid.

Looking forward to visiting you in the Netherlands!

Dajak · 16th October 2006, 09:20 AM

Hi Bill it is hard to date that handle it is not old type

And in mine opinion they still make them this way using them as an wedding gift John that lives in Sabah could tell more about this

The blade is vey nice

The Handle off the old pakayuns with the brass collar 17 till 20 cm.

Yours is that with the brass collar ???

Bill M · 16th October 2006, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Bill it is hard to date that handle it is not old type

And in mine opinion they still make them this way using them as an wedding gift John that lives in Sabah could tell more about this

The blade is vey nice

Benny,

Do you thing that the blade is older and possibly authentic?

I will get in touch with John. I know him very well. I will ask his opinion. I will ask him to post it here. I like learning and if this pakayun is not correct, I want to lean more about what is right so that I can buy that kind when I see one!

Maybe they used mine in the dance <smile>!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

The Handle off the old pakayuns with the brass collar 17 till 20 cm.

Yours is that with the brass collar ???

Benny, what does this mean? Please explain further.

Warmest regards,
Bill

VVV · 16th October 2006, 12:48 PM

Bill,

I think Ben means that your brass collar is shorter than those on all of his Pakayun.
More the size of his Parang Sangkit, which is a different kind of Murut sword.
John has posted his 2 nice Pakayun in his gallery on the Kampungnet.

Here is another one of the very rare old style Pakayun.
I know that Ben doesn't think the red colour is traditional.
But the colour is already antique and I don't feel like changing anything.
I am a bit low on other Pakayun after Ben decided to focus his collecting.

Michael

Dajak · 16th October 2006, 09:13 PM

Hi Michael your pakayun has found a nice spot on the wall at my home
but now we have to talk about this one you showing

I only see 2 pakayuns with the middle carved and you now this is very old style the one in your hands and mine

Hi Bill the measure is from the brass collar to the end off the handle

The style off the old pakayuns is with long brass collar so are they pictured
in stone's Glossary and on old pics

Never see them with the long wooden handle so that is why this is in mine opinion this is not so old as the other ones with long brass collars

But not easy to date yours Bill scabbard is also without carving so later date
but blade does look like the old ones

But if you ever visit me it is easyer to explain for me

16th October 2006, 06:27 AM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Very nice collection, Ben. Thanks for posting. I would appreciate comments on mine. Attached Images Last edited by Bill Marsh; 16th October 2006 at 07:16 AM. Reason: add pictures

16th October 2006, 08:30 AM	#2
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Bill thanks for sending the pics I think this is an later type off pakayun the wooden handle is to long the brass piece too short the blade looks good. Is it laminated the blade ??? It is different what we see on the old pakayuns also the scabbard different has no carving on it. I have not see this type off pakayun at any pics off muruts nore in any book so that is why I say it must be an later type . But the blade might be from an old pakayun so might also be a new repair to an old blade. You find these short brass collars on the other type off murut swords but their blade are not so long. Attached Images

16th October 2006, 12:48 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Bill, I think Ben means that your brass collar is shorter than those on all of his Pakayun. More the size of his Parang Sangkit, which is a different kind of Murut sword. John has posted his 2 nice Pakayun in his gallery on the Kampungnet. Here is another one of the very rare old style Pakayun. I know that Ben doesn't think the red colour is traditional. But the colour is already antique and I don't feel like changing anything. I am a bit low on other Pakayun after Ben decided to focus his collecting. Michael Attached Images Last edited by VVV; 16th October 2006 at 01:53 PM. Reason: additional info

16th October 2006, 09:13 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael your pakayun has found a nice spot on the wall at my home but now we have to talk about this one you showing I only see 2 pakayuns with the middle carved and you now this is very old style the one in your hands and mine Hi Bill the measure is from the brass collar to the end off the handle The style off the old pakayuns is with long brass collar so are they pictured in stone's Glossary and on old pics Never see them with the long wooden handle so that is why this is in mine opinion this is not so old as the other ones with long brass collars But not easy to date yours Bill scabbard is also without carving so later date but blade does look like the old ones But if you ever visit me it is easyer to explain for me Attached Images

16th October 2006, 09:20 AM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Bill it is hard to date that handle it is not old type And in mine opinion they still make them this way using them as an wedding gift John that lives in Sabah could tell more about this The blade is vey nice The Handle off the old pakayuns with the brass collar 17 till 20 cm. Yours is that with the brass collar ???