black sea yataghan

Yannis · 22nd September 2006, 04:26 PM

The dresses and the music instrument of the musicians and dancers group it is Pontic, a Greek minority of Turkey. But maybe it could be worn from another ethnic group too.

ariel · 22nd September 2006, 05:37 PM

Here are Ajarians: next-door neighbours of Minghrelians ( Georgian Laz)
http://www.answers.com/topic/ajarians

Zifir · 22nd September 2006, 09:41 PM

http://www.karalahana.com/english/archive/music.html

I think it's the same picture...

Zifir · 22nd September 2006, 09:50 PM

And here is another one..

ariel · 23rd September 2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zifir

And here is another one..

This is the best one.
But, honestly, we are seeing 3 variants of the same picture!
The color one was heavily photoshopped, though.
Trabzon is clearly indicated as the locality.
Laz!

Jeff D · 23rd September 2006, 07:20 AM

Well Done Guys!!

I think we can clearly place the Laz with this weapon.

Jeff

Rivkin · 23rd September 2006, 07:02 PM

The dress and musical instruments are common to Western Georgians and all other Pontic nations, including Greeks; I would guess these can be Greeks, but I would think Laz is a more likely option. Finally, the border between Georgia and Turkey, which separates Laz and Adjari was established in bloody wars, therefore there is really nothing historic about "adjarian/laz" boundaries - the language they speak is similar and belongs to the western georgian family, however Laz are typically identifying themselves as Turks and nothing else, and Ajarians are identifying themselves mostly as "muslim georgians". There are also some "georgian" colonists in Trabzon, who speak mainstream georgian and came there relatively recently, but their dress is quite different.

Yannis · 22nd September 2006, 09:51 PM

I just add 2 pictures of Pontic or Pontian people to see the similarities. But I have never heard that this yataghan was their weapon. They used bitsaqs and kinjals

Yannis · 22nd September 2006, 09:59 PM

Well, after all these years that we are looking for clues about Black Sea yataghan, I feel quit stupid I didn’t look closer to my culture!
The pictures of Zifir are very clear. If they lived in Trabzon (Trebizond or Trapezus) they must be Pontians. Or Lazs, but no Ajarians.

22nd September 2006, 09:50 PM	#4
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	And here is another one.. Attached Images

22nd September 2006, 09:51 PM	#8
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	I just add 2 pictures of Pontic or Pontian people to see the similarities. But I have never heard that this yataghan was their weapon. They used bitsaqs and kinjals Attached Images

22nd September 2006, 04:26 PM	#1
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	The dresses and the music instrument of the musicians and dancers group it is Pontic, a Greek minority of Turkey. But maybe it could be worn from another ethnic group too.

22nd September 2006, 05:37 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Here are Ajarians: next-door neighbours of Minghrelians ( Georgian Laz) http://www.answers.com/topic/ajarians

22nd September 2006, 09:41 PM	#3
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	http://www.karalahana.com/english/archive/music.html I think it's the same picture...

23rd September 2006, 07:20 AM	#6
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Well Done Guys!! I think we can clearly place the Laz with this weapon. Jeff

23rd September 2006, 07:02 PM	#7
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	The dress and musical instruments are common to Western Georgians and all other Pontic nations, including Greeks; I would guess these can be Greeks, but I would think Laz is a more likely option. Finally, the border between Georgia and Turkey, which separates Laz and Adjari was established in bloody wars, therefore there is really nothing historic about "adjarian/laz" boundaries - the language they speak is similar and belongs to the western georgian family, however Laz are typically identifying themselves as Turks and nothing else, and Ajarians are identifying themselves mostly as "muslim georgians". There are also some "georgian" colonists in Trabzon, who speak mainstream georgian and came there relatively recently, but their dress is quite different.

22nd September 2006, 09:59 PM	#9
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Well, after all these years that we are looking for clues about Black Sea yataghan, I feel quit stupid I didn’t look closer to my culture! The pictures of Zifir are very clear. If they lived in Trabzon (Trebizond or Trapezus) they must be Pontians. Or Lazs, but no Ajarians.