Indian gold koftgari Tulwar for sale !!!!

ariel · 19th September 2006, 01:18 PM

Ernst,
I am a committed opponent of reproductions on a simple ground that they do not carry history with them. The same is true about mass produced oils of the Italian and Flemish masters, Impressionists paintings etc.
However, in this case there was no attempt whatsoever to deceive : the reproduction was clearly and openly acknowledged. Thus, the word "fake" was not, in my opinion, appropriate.
I may not buy these swords but I would not be casting stones either.

Rick · 19th September 2006, 04:53 PM

As with guns, what happens when the object leaves the manufacturer's hands is totally up to the person who posesses it; he can use it or abuse it .
Koftgari is an art form that should be preserved and encouraged.

One could take any of my brand new kerises and artificially age it, distress the scabbard etc. in an attempt to pass it off as antique .
Does this mean that modern keris making should be stopped ?
Heavens no.

sandeepsingh · 25th September 2006, 01:56 PM

Rick
I am really agree with you !!!!
I dont sell my product as an antique,its a new product.
Mostly i do my work on customers demand or wish.

Is anyone is looking for desired or wanted item?
If so, let me know may be i can help you

Sandeep

ErnestoJuan · 14th November 2006, 06:48 PM

" Rick
I am really agree with you !!!!
I dont sell my product as an antique,its a new product."

So what is holding you back not to engrave a date on the new product, clearly indicating that it is indeed a new product?

Mind you; your intentions are good as you state that you sell new produce. On the other hand, a 3rd person with bad intentions will sell your artisan produce being the real antique thing.

My point is: your intentions may be good, there are loads of others whose intentions are bad, very bad, plain evil.

Mark it being new, potential problem solved.

Battara · 14th November 2006, 07:31 PM

Let me add one other thought. What Sandeep offers is also a service in that there are pieces that need restoration. I personally would love to know how to do koftgari for restoration purposes (but don't have the means to go to INdia and study under Sandeep at present). This is a needed service and he is fair and honest about his offerings. Also, what he does is not the cheap koftgari I have seen in the recent past but good quality work.

ALEX · 15th November 2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

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Well said Battara. An honest, skillful and reasonable restorer and/or coftgari master should be welcomed and appreciated. They are not easy to find... to say the least.

Lee · 15th November 2006, 01:52 PM

If anyone wishes to continue with the extraneous directions taken by this thread, please create a new thread in the general forum to do so. This is the swap forum.

19th September 2006, 04:53 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	IMO Caveat Emptor As with guns, what happens when the object leaves the manufacturer's hands is totally up to the person who posesses it; he can use it or abuse it . Koftgari is an art form that should be preserved and encouraged. One could take any of my brand new kerises and artificially age it, distress the scabbard etc. in an attempt to pass it off as antique . Does this mean that modern keris making should be stopped ? Heavens no.

15th November 2006, 01:52 PM	#7
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 937	Hijack warning If anyone wishes to continue with the extraneous directions taken by this thread, please create a new thread in the general forum to do so. This is the swap forum.

19th September 2006, 01:18 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ernst, I am a committed opponent of reproductions on a simple ground that they do not carry history with them. The same is true about mass produced oils of the Italian and Flemish masters, Impressionists paintings etc. However, in this case there was no attempt whatsoever to deceive : the reproduction was clearly and openly acknowledged. Thus, the word "fake" was not, in my opinion, appropriate. I may not buy these swords but I would not be casting stones either.

25th September 2006, 01:56 PM	#3
sandeepsingh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: India Posts: 85	Rick I am really agree with you !!!! I dont sell my product as an antique,its a new product. Mostly i do my work on customers demand or wish. Is anyone is looking for desired or wanted item? If so, let me know may be i can help you Sandeep

14th November 2006, 06:48 PM	#4
ErnestoJuan Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Europa Posts: 60	" Rick I am really agree with you !!!! I dont sell my product as an antique,its a new product." So what is holding you back not to engrave a date on the new product, clearly indicating that it is indeed a new product? Mind you; your intentions are good as you state that you sell new produce. On the other hand, a 3rd person with bad intentions will sell your artisan produce being the real antique thing. My point is: your intentions may be good, there are loads of others whose intentions are bad, very bad, plain evil. Mark it being new, potential problem solved.

14th November 2006, 07:31 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Let me add one other thought. What Sandeep offers is also a service in that there are pieces that need restoration. I personally would love to know how to do koftgari for restoration purposes (but don't have the means to go to INdia and study under Sandeep at present). This is a needed service and he is fair and honest about his offerings. Also, what he does is not the cheap koftgari I have seen in the recent past but good quality work.