Comments?

[nechesh]

Sorry Naga Sasra, i think i must respectfully disagree if what you are saying is that Mick's ukiran is not a Raksasa. Besides bearing his teeth, this figure also has fangs. Does Bima have fangs? I have three Raksasa hilts, two in this same crouching position that bear a striking resemblance to Mick's, though made of wood, and one standing. If these are not raksasa could you post a photo of what you believe is? Keep in mind that depictions of Raksasa from Hindu mythology may not appear exactly the same as they do in Jawa and Bali. I have never known a wide opened mouth to be a requirement. Aside from de Narval i have seen this hilt form IDed time and time again as Raksasa by many other authors.

[Naga Sasra]

Don't be sorry nechesh, I am happy that we have this discussion, and I do understand the confusion, as I agree with your logic.

Yes, Bima can have fangs and I have the pictures of these in Martin Kerners Book. Unfortunately I cannot just copy what is his copyright for the obvious reasons.
I do understand that the Hindu mythology images are not necessarily what would be depicted in Jawa and Bali, and the photos that are in the book show handles from Jawa and Bali.

I have like you seen most handles with ugly faces being called Raksasa in most of the Keris and Hulu books, which if they in fact are demons is okay, but if they are not demons and are other figures from history, then I do not believe that is fine, which is why I continue on the subject.

Here again we suffer from lack of prudent evidence, as way too little have been written on the subject and it is my sincere hope that this conversation can lead to some understanding of the Hindu type handles.

[Rick]

I had posted the ukiran for confirmation that it was a Bima . Earlier I had been told it was Bayu .

Now here is yet another figural ukiran I can't identify :

[nechesh]

C'mon Rick, it should be clear to see ......That's Santa Claus!

[Rick]

Originally Posted by nechesh

C'mon Rick, it should be clear to see ......That's Santa Claus!

Seriously though , another Bima ?

I know it's funky .

[Mick]

If those are long thumbnails and not a belly button, Yes

[John]

Originally Posted by Naga Sasra

PENDAWA:...The second of the Pandawa brothers is Bima.

BIMA: Is known for his great strength and violence in battle where he wields a club or sword, he has round protruding eyes, a long nose and long thumbnails, he may or may not show his teeth, but will never have his mouth wide open. He also have or have not the other characteristics that I mentioned earlier.

RAKSASA OR RAKSASI: (female) in Hindu mythology is a type of demon or goblin; they have the power to change their shape at will and can appear as animals, as monsters and the female as a beautiful women. They are most powerful in the evening during the dark period of the new moon, but they are dispelled by the rising sun, sort of like a combination of a werewolf and a vampire.
Raksasas are demons with strongly colored complexions, bulging eyes and wide-opened mouths, which display rows of glittering teeth.

After seeing your post Erik, I had a look at the Mahabharata last night (Indian version) in as Bima is concerned and noted Bima's weapon is a mace (club) and he's known to have termimated raksasas and married a sister of one after she appeared as an attractive woman...Interesting!