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Flavio · 7th September 2006, 09:46 PM

Hi Tim, here is the text

Tim Simmons · 7th September 2006, 09:51 PM

Top bananna Flavio!!

Are some books a few pages short, opinions please?

Lew · 8th September 2006, 12:49 AM

Tim

I saw that one and if it is the same piece you got it real cheap. The pics were fuzzy and I did not want to chance it.

Congrats it's a nice find.

Lew

Tim Simmons · 8th September 2006, 07:07 AM

Thanks Lew, one of those fuzzy moments

. I would think it has an origin with Chokwe people. If not Chokwe proper then a closely related branch. Does anyone else feel that the books description is up for scrutiny?

These days if it is not fuzzy I cannot afford it. I am finding cheaper things in shops. Bit of a turn round.

katana · 8th September 2006, 12:05 PM

Tim, what an interesting piece......surely your example is an adze....but too ornate to be a 'working' tool.
I'm wondering whether in certain societies, carpenters (the adze is a woodworking tool), had certain status.

I'm not convinced that the figure is a stylized 'westerner'......if it is...'Andy Capp' may be due some Royalties

If there is intended 'comic' symbolism I think the 'tang in the anus' is a nice touch

Tim Simmons · 8th September 2006, 05:34 PM

I too have doubts that it represents a European. Most sculpture of Europeans make it quite obvious. I have never heard of a war adze from Africa but that does not mean there is no martial symbolism in what is clearly a ritual artifact. Here is a link to another adze but no information on its use or meaning.
http://search.famsf.org:8080/view.sh...&record=128901

7th September 2006, 09:46 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi Tim, here is the text Attached Images

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Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Thanks Lew, one of those fuzzy moments . I would think it has an origin with Chokwe people. If not Chokwe proper then a closely related branch. Does anyone else feel that the books description is up for scrutiny? These days if it is not fuzzy I cannot afford it. I am finding cheaper things in shops. Bit of a turn round. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 8th September 2006 at 05:35 PM.

7th September 2006, 09:51 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Top bananna Flavio!! Are some books a few pages short, opinions please?

8th September 2006, 12:49 AM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Tim I saw that one and if it is the same piece you got it real cheap. The pics were fuzzy and I did not want to chance it. Congrats it's a nice find. Lew

8th September 2006, 12:05 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Tim, what an interesting piece......surely your example is an adze....but too ornate to be a 'working' tool. I'm wondering whether in certain societies, carpenters (the adze is a woodworking tool), had certain status. I'm not convinced that the figure is a stylized 'westerner'......if it is...'Andy Capp' may be due some Royalties If there is intended 'comic' symbolism I think the 'tang in the anus' is a nice touch

8th September 2006, 05:34 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	I too have doubts that it represents a European. Most sculpture of Europeans make it quite obvious. I have never heard of a war adze from Africa but that does not mean there is no martial symbolism in what is clearly a ritual artifact. Here is a link to another adze but no information on its use or meaning. http://search.famsf.org:8080/view.sh...&record=128901