Unusual Keris Dress from where?

David · 25th August 2006, 03:05 PM

Henk and Marcokeris, thanks for posting these examples. I agree with you Henk that these "soldier's keris" are in a different catagory to what we often think of as a "tourist" keris, although i don't particularly like the term "tourist" keris in general as it is usually only meant to describe low quality keris, some of which might actually serve some ethnographic service such as a part of wedding attire and not actually be meant for export.
I have seen these "soldier's keris" in all levels of quality and i think they are certainly important in the overall history of the keris. I wouldn't mind finding a good example one day for my own collection.

However, i still fail to see how Naga Sasra's keris is in any way "equal" to these "soldier"s keris" other than the fact that they both have carved sheaths. I see no similarities here.

Rick · 25th August 2006, 03:39 PM

Possibly we should look at the basic elements in this dress ; the gambar has an extremely pronounced mid-rib which is an element I have not seen on Maduran gambars .

The scabbard carving is representative of simple form and extreme *repetition* ; another element that I have not seen on Maduran work . The extreme width of the gambar doesn't seem in keeping with Madurese work either nor does the shape .

Your humble moderator would deeply appreciate some postings of Cirebon kerises so that he might compare forms .

Perhaps the example in Frey III and Naga Sasra's keris are simply anomalies but that answer really doesn't satisfy .

Rick

VVV · 25th August 2006, 05:15 PM

Here is a sample what I had in mind when I wrote influence of a Cirebon/Tegal Ganesha hilt among others. It's from a friend's collection so I don't have it in bigger size.

Michael

Battara · 25th August 2006, 06:32 PM

Is the wranga ivory or bone?

Rick · 25th August 2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Here is a sample what I had in mind when I wrote influence of a Cirebon/Tegal Ganesha hilt among others. It's from a friend's collection so I don't have it in bigger size.

Michael

I have observed with a magnifying glass that the ukiran on the example in Frey III is practically identical to that of Naga Sasra's example of this form .

VVV · 25th August 2006, 07:30 PM

Battara, it's actually old wood.

Pity I don't have the newest Frey.
Is it possible to post the picture of the Frey Keris?

Michael

Rick · 25th August 2006, 07:42 PM

Here it is .

VVV · 25th August 2006, 09:05 PM

Thanks Rick, very resembling in style.
What does Frey say about it?

Let's look closer at the blade also.
Anybody who dares to stick out their neck on this?

Michael

Battara · 26th August 2006, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Battara, it's actually old wood.

25th August 2006, 03:39 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Gentlemen Possibly we should look at the basic elements in this dress ; the gambar has an extremely pronounced mid-rib which is an element I have not seen on Maduran gambars . The scabbard carving is representative of simple form and extreme repetition ; another element that I have not seen on Maduran work . The extreme width of the gambar doesn't seem in keeping with Madurese work either nor does the shape . Your humble moderator would deeply appreciate some postings of Cirebon kerises so that he might compare forms . Perhaps the example in Frey III and Naga Sasra's keris are simply anomalies but that answer really doesn't satisfy . Rick

25th August 2006, 05:15 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Here is a sample what I had in mind when I wrote influence of a Cirebon/Tegal Ganesha hilt among others. It's from a friend's collection so I don't have it in bigger size. Michael Attached Images

25th August 2006, 07:42 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Ask And Ye Shall Receive Here it is . Attached Images

25th August 2006, 03:05 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	Henk and Marcokeris, thanks for posting these examples. I agree with you Henk that these "soldier's keris" are in a different catagory to what we often think of as a "tourist" keris, although i don't particularly like the term "tourist" keris in general as it is usually only meant to describe low quality keris, some of which might actually serve some ethnographic service such as a part of wedding attire and not actually be meant for export. I have seen these "soldier's keris" in all levels of quality and i think they are certainly important in the overall history of the keris. I wouldn't mind finding a good example one day for my own collection. However, i still fail to see how Naga Sasra's keris is in any way "equal" to these "soldier"s keris" other than the fact that they both have carved sheaths. I see no similarities here.

25th August 2006, 06:32 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,282	Is the wranga ivory or bone?

25th August 2006, 07:30 PM	#6
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Battara, it's actually old wood. Pity I don't have the newest Frey. Is it possible to post the picture of the Frey Keris? Michael

25th August 2006, 09:05 PM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Thanks Rick, very resembling in style. What does Frey say about it? Let's look closer at the blade also. Anybody who dares to stick out their neck on this? Michael