shashka=big yatagan???

Rivkin · 22nd August 2006, 12:56 AM

What puzzled me is that this first yataghan if I am not mistaken was made by a person from azerbajani turkish tribe tekkelu, who migrated to Turkey are Osmans captured Tabriz and Azerbaijan. Was he given this form in Turkey or did he bring it from Azerbaijan ? Interestingly, in a very old, but very well researched concerning arms and armour movie "Grigorii Saakadze", Saakadze receives a yataghan from Abbas I as a symbol of Safavid's power. Movies are movies and one can find lots of strange stuff in them, but I did not see any obvious mistakes in this movie, however I have that a lot of weapons were copied from Janashia's museum collection.

It is interesting how the origins of kindjal and yataghan are so obscure.

ariel · 22nd August 2006, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivkin

What puzzled me is that this first yataghan if I am not mistaken was made by a person from azerbajani turkish tribe tekkelu, who migrated to Turkey are Osmans captured Tabriz and Azerbaijan. Was he given this form in Turkey or did he bring it from Azerbaijan ? Interestingly, in a very old, but very well researched concerning arms and armour movie "Grigorii Saakadze", Saakadze receives a yataghan from Abbas I as a symbol of Safavid's power. Movies are movies and one can find lots of strange stuff in them, but I did not see any obvious mistakes in this movie, however I have that a lot of weapons were copied from Janashia's museum collection.

It is interesting how the origins of kindjal and yataghan are so obscure.

Yes, Ahmet Tekelu, from the Kizilbashi federation.
Where can I get a disk or a tape of that movie?
BTW, anybody knows how to get an old Albanian movie "Skanderbeg"?

Rivkin · 22nd August 2006, 04:52 AM

ariel:
First of all I have to apologize before you - I am packing 24 hours a day, so I have to regretfully abstain from taking you on your offer... I am moving to Texas on August 28th and since then will be able to send to anyone who wishes a copy of "Saakadze", or some other disks with dances, songs etc.

Unfortunately the movie is of a super-Stalin type - main heroes (noblemen) constantly walk around with eyes wide open, crying "the princes have betrayed us". A lot of imagination spent to white wash Saakadze; some of his most interesting periods of life are omitted. There is no mentioning about him and some of qizilbashi supposedly offering Azerbaijan to Osmans.

ariel · 22nd August 2006, 01:15 PM

Good luck in Texas! If it is Austin,- you lucked out: very cool place ( well, not temperature-wise...)

22nd August 2006, 12:56 AM	#1
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	What puzzled me is that this first yataghan if I am not mistaken was made by a person from azerbajani turkish tribe tekkelu, who migrated to Turkey are Osmans captured Tabriz and Azerbaijan. Was he given this form in Turkey or did he bring it from Azerbaijan ? Interestingly, in a very old, but very well researched concerning arms and armour movie "Grigorii Saakadze", Saakadze receives a yataghan from Abbas I as a symbol of Safavid's power. Movies are movies and one can find lots of strange stuff in them, but I did not see any obvious mistakes in this movie, however I have that a lot of weapons were copied from Janashia's museum collection. It is interesting how the origins of kindjal and yataghan are so obscure.

22nd August 2006, 04:52 AM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	ariel: First of all I have to apologize before you - I am packing 24 hours a day, so I have to regretfully abstain from taking you on your offer... I am moving to Texas on August 28th and since then will be able to send to anyone who wishes a copy of "Saakadze", or some other disks with dances, songs etc. Unfortunately the movie is of a super-Stalin type - main heroes (noblemen) constantly walk around with eyes wide open, crying "the princes have betrayed us". A lot of imagination spent to white wash Saakadze; some of his most interesting periods of life are omitted. There is no mentioning about him and some of qizilbashi supposedly offering Azerbaijan to Osmans.

22nd August 2006, 01:15 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Good luck in Texas! If it is Austin,- you lucked out: very cool place ( well, not temperature-wise...)