Identification of keris hilt

rasdan · 4th February 2005, 07:13 AM

Hi Alam shah,

I dont know much of this stuff, but i had seen a quite similar keris hilt in a Malaysian book. Raja Muda may remember the title of the book. Theres also one in (i think) Van Duuren's latest book. Perhaps other foroumite have any ideas?

rahman · 4th February 2005, 07:41 AM

Looks like the handle on a keris sajen, aka keris majapajit?

Raja Muda · 4th February 2005, 09:08 AM

The picture Pak Rasdan has is from a book on keris published by the Malaysian Handicrafts Development board. I think I have one too. Well, it's stated there as Keris Majapahit, though the details on the hilt is far more elaborate than the ones you see on other Keris Sajen. What we need now is for a Javanese to help lah!

Alam Shah · 4th February 2005, 09:47 AM

Thank you Raja Muda and rasdan. I had this piece for the last 15 years, just want to know more.

Sang Keris · 4th February 2005, 02:53 PM

a pair of majapahit ceremonial keris... just for example....

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Alam Shah · 4th February 2005, 04:47 PM

Sang Keris,
Thanks for your example, but different from my type...

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Any comments on my piece?

empu kumis · 4th February 2005, 09:24 PM

Hello Kerislovers,

especially on this kind of "keris" we have a lot of stories (donggeng) but no written records nor pictures on sculptures. The story this pieces has been used for the ceremony of "bersih Desa" or for offerings could not be verified. The most examples coming to musea all over the world was in the 19th century. There is no evidence for an old age at all. So far i know there was no metallurgical research or archaeological proof. Ther has been so many speculation and the topic goes on and on. Its an never ending fruitless story.

I know and have seen with my own eyes this pieces are still forged as almost massproduction as other new kerisses too. Sometimes I read about to give them an appraisal for a special tangguh ? Just Nonsense !! The small shops still selling new keris sajen because many people belief in their value as talisman !!!
I would be very thankful if somebody of you fellow forumites could tell me more. But please something i could have a proof.

Regards

empu kumis

4th February 2005, 07:13 AM	#1
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 369	Hi Alam shah, I dont know much of this stuff, but i had seen a quite similar keris hilt in a Malaysian book. Raja Muda may remember the title of the book. Theres also one in (i think) Van Duuren's latest book. Perhaps other foroumite have any ideas? Attached Images

4th February 2005, 09:08 AM	#3
Raja Muda Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 100	Keris Hilt The picture Pak Rasdan has is from a book on keris published by the Malaysian Handicrafts Development board. I think I have one too. Well, it's stated there as Keris Majapahit, though the details on the hilt is far more elaborate than the ones you see on other Keris Sajen. What we need now is for a Javanese to help lah!

4th February 2005, 02:53 PM	#5
Sang Keris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Indonesia Posts: 46	a pair of majapahit ceremonial keris... just for example.... . Attached Images

4th February 2005, 04:47 PM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Sang Keris, Thanks for your example, but different from my type.... Any comments on my piece?

4th February 2005, 07:41 AM	#2
rahman Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 84	Looks like the handle on a keris sajen, aka keris majapajit?

4th February 2005, 09:47 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thank you Raja Muda and rasdan. I had this piece for the last 15 years, just want to know more.

4th February 2005, 09:24 PM	#7
empu kumis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 17	Hello Kerislovers, especially on this kind of "keris" we have a lot of stories (donggeng) but no written records nor pictures on sculptures. The story this pieces has been used for the ceremony of "bersih Desa" or for offerings could not be verified. The most examples coming to musea all over the world was in the 19th century. There is no evidence for an old age at all. So far i know there was no metallurgical research or archaeological proof. Ther has been so many speculation and the topic goes on and on. Its an never ending fruitless story. I know and have seen with my own eyes this pieces are still forged as almost massproduction as other new kerisses too. Sometimes I read about to give them an appraisal for a special tangguh ? Just Nonsense !! The small shops still selling new keris sajen because many people belief in their value as talisman !!! I would be very thankful if somebody of you fellow forumites could tell me more. But please something i could have a proof. Regards empu kumis