Sumatran keris for discussion

kai · 12th August 2006, 03:43 PM

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Pamor Lidi Sebatang, from the tip to one third of the blade.
Don't know whether it qualify as this.

I couldn't really ascertain any welding lines after cleaning; the very tip (from my memory about 1 inch or 3 cm) appear darker - possibly from tempering?

Maybe some polishing and staining might give more information how this blade was forged and tempered?

Regards,
Kai

Alam Shah · 12th August 2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

If you're not too strict, the first greneng (downwards from the tip of the blade) might represent a bird's head (most likely an eagle?); of course, this is just one of several possible interpretations.

The rest (or possibly all) of the greneng looks like foliage-like decoration to me.

A good interpretation... thanks.

BluErf · 13th August 2006, 03:05 PM

Does anyone see a similarity in the 'air tangan' of this keris blade with VVV's panjang up for discussion? Look at the sor-soran area of both kerises, and ignore the atypical greneng and the "bump" on the gandik on this piece. Very similar isn't it.

And look at this blade from Aji's collection:
http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php

The dress was commissioned in Malaysia, but the blade was definitely sourced from Riau, which could be a stepping board for kerises from Central or Northern Sumatra.

So, could we be looking at a Minang origin for VVV's panjang?

On the greneng - I've never seen anything like this before...

A. G. Maisey · 13th August 2006, 11:22 PM

I cannot offer any opinion on origin of this blade. I only know it is not Javanese or Balinese.

However, regarding the similarity of the sculpting in the sorsoran of Bluerf`s picture, and Alam Shah`s picture, I can comment.

I`m sorry, but I can see no similarity at all between the two.
The major disparity is that in Alam Shah`s piece the blumbangan is boto adeg, in Bluerf`s it is boto rubu, but apart from that the actual execution of each blade is almost at opposite poles.

13th August 2006, 03:05 PM	#3
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Does anyone see a similarity in the 'air tangan' of this keris blade with VVV's panjang up for discussion? Look at the sor-soran area of both kerises, and ignore the atypical greneng and the "bump" on the gandik on this piece. Very similar isn't it. And look at this blade from Aji's collection: http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_photo.php The dress was commissioned in Malaysia, but the blade was definitely sourced from Riau, which could be a stepping board for kerises from Central or Northern Sumatra. So, could we be looking at a Minang origin for VVV's panjang? On the greneng - I've never seen anything like this before... Attached Images

13th August 2006, 11:22 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	I cannot offer any opinion on origin of this blade. I only know it is not Javanese or Balinese. However, regarding the similarity of the sculpting in the sorsoran of Bluerf`s picture, and Alam Shah`s picture, I can comment. I`m sorry, but I can see no similarity at all between the two. The major disparity is that in Alam Shah`s piece the blumbangan is boto adeg, in Bluerf`s it is boto rubu, but apart from that the actual execution of each blade is almost at opposite poles.