Turkish knife for ID, comment

DaveA · Today, 01:09 AM

Hello,

Imagine my surprise when I discovered this knife on my bookshelf with no memory of when I acquired it or put it there. I offer it here for your comment and aid to help give it a better identification.

Overall length in scabbard: 12 1/2 inches
Knife-only length: 11 3/4 inches

Hilt shape: round at the bolster and grip with a notch for little finger at end of grip, thereafter flaring slightly to elephant ear "yataghan" shape at the end.

Hilt material: Horn; color is dark yellow/amber with significant aging to black from handling.

Decorative brass ring around hilt.

Hilt size: 5 inches long, 5/8 inches high at the grip.

Brass bolster, undecorated.

Blade Dimensions: Thick at the hilt with slight taper before false edge. Length: 7 5/8 in. Height: 1 inch at the bolster for 5 inches, thereafter narrowing into an upswept tip. Thickness: 1/4 inch at the bolster, typering slightly for 2 1/2 inches.

Blade Decoration: near bolster are 5 dots, empty, on each side in different pattern. Left side with a 2/3 triangle, right side with a very small eyelash. Twin fullers, both sides, a wider one on bottom and much thinner one above it, the larger one with a wavy bright patterns over a darkend background, laminations visible.

Blade Cross-Section: Slightly rounded transitioning to diamond for the final 1 1/2 inches to tip.

Scabbard: Intact; black leather, flaking, over wood; significant age-related deterioration

I look forward to your thoughts.

Dave A.

gp · Today, 07:20 AM

first , a very nice knife, my compliments !

for what it is worth, I believe dating back to the end of the Ottoman period, perhaps early days of the republic and looking at the V-shape of the hilt, it might be Greek or Greek influenced.
Could also be perhaps southern part of the Black Sea ....

Gustav · Today, 07:28 AM

Yes, a Laz Bichak from south eastern Black Sea region.

Sajen · Today, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Yes, a Laz Bichak from south eastern Black Sea region.

Agreed!

DaveA · Today, 03:22 PM

Thank you both You’ve given me the info I needed to remember. This was a forlorn gem among a collection of various contemporary knives at an estate auction. No one bid against me. I feel like I rescued an old dog when everyone else was taking home the puppies.

Any ideas about identifying the hilt material? It resembles a saifani hilt on a jambiya from Yemen in my collection.

Dave A.

DaveA · Today, 04:04 PM

With your info, I was able to locate my notes on this bichak from about a year ago. It is from the Laz people in the region of Sürmene in the eastern Anatolian peninsula along the eastern Black Sea near Georgia.

Sürmene was a center of edged weapons manufacture for a long time and it is continuing today. Once worn by Laz pirates on the Black Sea, the Laz people and Pontians also used the bichak for duel fighting and a dance called the “knife horon.”

Thanks again for the reminder!

Dave

Today, 01:09 AM	#1
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 465	Turkish knife for ID, comment Hello, Imagine my surprise when I discovered this knife on my bookshelf with no memory of when I acquired it or put it there. I offer it here for your comment and aid to help give it a better identification. Overall length in scabbard: 12 1/2 inches Knife-only length: 11 3/4 inches Hilt shape: round at the bolster and grip with a notch for little finger at end of grip, thereafter flaring slightly to elephant ear "yataghan" shape at the end. Hilt material: Horn; color is dark yellow/amber with significant aging to black from handling. Decorative brass ring around hilt. Hilt size: 5 inches long, 5/8 inches high at the grip. Brass bolster, undecorated. Blade Dimensions: Thick at the hilt with slight taper before false edge. Length: 7 5/8 in. Height: 1 inch at the bolster for 5 inches, thereafter narrowing into an upswept tip. Thickness: 1/4 inch at the bolster, typering slightly for 2 1/2 inches. Blade Decoration: near bolster are 5 dots, empty, on each side in different pattern. Left side with a 2/3 triangle, right side with a very small eyelash. Twin fullers, both sides, a wider one on bottom and much thinner one above it, the larger one with a wavy bright patterns over a darkend background, laminations visible. Blade Cross-Section: Slightly rounded transitioning to diamond for the final 1 1/2 inches to tip. Scabbard: Intact; black leather, flaking, over wood; significant age-related deterioration I look forward to your thoughts. Dave A. Attached Images

Today, 07:28 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,333	Yes, a Laz Bichak from south eastern Black Sea region. Last edited by Gustav; Today at 07:55 AM.

Today, 03:22 PM	#5
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 465	La Baz! Thank you both You’ve given me the info I needed to remember. This was a forlorn gem among a collection of various contemporary knives at an estate auction. No one bid against me. I feel like I rescued an old dog when everyone else was taking home the puppies. Any ideas about identifying the hilt material? It resembles a saifani hilt on a jambiya from Yemen in my collection. Dave A.

Today, 04:04 PM	#6
DaveA Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 465	Laz Bichak With your info, I was able to locate my notes on this bichak from about a year ago. It is from the Laz people in the region of Sürmene in the eastern Anatolian peninsula along the eastern Black Sea near Georgia. Sürmene was a center of edged weapons manufacture for a long time and it is continuing today. Once worn by Laz pirates on the Black Sea, the Laz people and Pontians also used the bichak for duel fighting and a dance called the “knife horon.” Thanks again for the reminder! Dave

Today, 07:20 AM	#2
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 1,012	first , a very nice knife, my compliments ! for what it is worth, I believe dating back to the end of the Ottoman period, perhaps early days of the republic and looking at the V-shape of the hilt, it might be Greek or Greek influenced. Could also be perhaps southern part of the Black Sea ....