Mysore Dagger Inscription Help

B.I · 30th July 2006, 09:51 PM

hi gene,
ahem, a year and a half later!!
one of the words is unknown. is there any part of the word that is not shown in the image? maybe it is short for the english word 'number' but it wasnt common for kannada to incorporate english words. but, if it was wodeyar 3rd it is refering to (popularly agreed theory) then he was placed on the throne under the british rule, so maybe it is. other inscriptions have included a descriptive term of the piece itself, so maybe it was poorly written and means something else.
no translation should be taken literally, and 2 independant (or better 3!) opinions should always be used to get an overall average.
my translater is not a linguist, but a art historian whose mother tongue is kannada. maybe someone that studies old texts, and used to its differences could help more.

Mare Rosu · 30th July 2006, 11:13 PM

Well now MR. B.I. What a pleasant surprise!

I do appreciate you efforts. The way you displayed the information is just outstanding. I had just about given up on the inscription/translation.
Dr. Ann is also working on the dagger as well as the inscription and what she comes up with I will post it here with her permission.
Now on a personal note is there anything you do not know? I am of course referring to the original writeup/information on the dagger and now you come up with the translation, truly amazing detective work on your part. You know more about my stuff than I do! and also more than the seller( to me ) of the dagger

.
I again offer my services to you at anytime (wash your car, sweep your floors ). You sir have made my day.

Gene

B.I · 31st July 2006, 10:17 AM

shucks, i'm blushing

if i ever find myself driving past the deep south i may take you up on the car wash, but keep your sponge dry as its a long way from london!
my friend is here for a very short time. the word i have labelled as 'NUM?' confused him as it didnt make sense. could you have a close look at the blade and see if there is part of it missing, that doesnt show up in the image.
sometimes blades are cleaned around the inscription, and re-etched and so the edges of the lettering fade away.
always worth a go.

Mare Rosu · 31st July 2006, 06:45 PM

OK B.I.
Latest pictures of the Dagger I call Mysore.
Dr. Ann supplied them and hope you can use them.
Now stop reading this and get to work!

Gene

Radu Transylvanicus · 31st July 2006, 07:51 PM

Wow, after a year and a half, huh ?

You gotta love persistence and this kind of tenacious spirit! Cant help it!

Mare Rosu · 31st July 2006, 10:47 PM

B.I.
This is a large blowup of the NUM? section of the inscription.
I changed it to black and white to see it if helped, I think it did a little.
Anyway I "think" I can make out some more of the inscription. I was going to place a pointer on the picture but think it would interferer with the picture.

Radu thank you for your input on the dagger I call Mysore.
Yes it was a long time in coming, but coming it is, and at my age every day is a new day and I am just glad to be alive. However I now have an exercise program and it only take 10 minutes a day to increase my life span 5 years!

Gene

B.I · 31st July 2006, 10:57 PM

hi gene,
i think you will outlive us all - you cant stop a determined man!!
yes, the image does show more of that word, but i have a feeling he was looking for more. i will show it to him (in 2/3 weeks time when he visits me again) but i dont feel the slight additions will help.
i am afraid the answers may yet unfold themselves, but from a different linguist - one more versed in old text.

30th July 2006, 09:51 PM	#1
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi gene, ahem, a year and a half later!! one of the words is unknown. is there any part of the word that is not shown in the image? maybe it is short for the english word 'number' but it wasnt common for kannada to incorporate english words. but, if it was wodeyar 3rd it is refering to (popularly agreed theory) then he was placed on the throne under the british rule, so maybe it is. other inscriptions have included a descriptive term of the piece itself, so maybe it was poorly written and means something else. no translation should be taken literally, and 2 independant (or better 3!) opinions should always be used to get an overall average. my translater is not a linguist, but a art historian whose mother tongue is kannada. maybe someone that studies old texts, and used to its differences could help more. Attached Images

30th July 2006, 11:13 PM	#2
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	B I to the rescue! Well now MR. B.I. What a pleasant surprise! I do appreciate you efforts. The way you displayed the information is just outstanding. I had just about given up on the inscription/translation. Dr. Ann is also working on the dagger as well as the inscription and what she comes up with I will post it here with her permission. Now on a personal note is there anything you do not know? I am of course referring to the original writeup/information on the dagger and now you come up with the translation, truly amazing detective work on your part. You know more about my stuff than I do! and also more than the seller( to me ) of the dagger . I again offer my services to you at anytime (wash your car, sweep your floors ). You sir have made my day. Gene

31st July 2006, 06:45 PM	#4
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Mysore dagger picture updates OK B.I. Latest pictures of the Dagger I call Mysore. Dr. Ann supplied them and hope you can use them. Now stop reading this and get to work! Gene Attached Images

31st July 2006, 10:47 PM	#6
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Large picture of inscription B.I. This is a large blowup of the NUM? section of the inscription. I changed it to black and white to see it if helped, I think it did a little. Anyway I "think" I can make out some more of the inscription. I was going to place a pointer on the picture but think it would interferer with the picture. Radu thank you for your input on the dagger I call Mysore. Yes it was a long time in coming, but coming it is, and at my age every day is a new day and I am just glad to be alive. However I now have an exercise program and it only take 10 minutes a day to increase my life span 5 years! Gene Attached Images

31st July 2006, 10:17 AM	#3
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	shucks, i'm blushing if i ever find myself driving past the deep south i may take you up on the car wash, but keep your sponge dry as its a long way from london! my friend is here for a very short time. the word i have labelled as 'NUM?' confused him as it didnt make sense. could you have a close look at the blade and see if there is part of it missing, that doesnt show up in the image. sometimes blades are cleaned around the inscription, and re-etched and so the edges of the lettering fade away. always worth a go.

31st July 2006, 07:51 PM	#5
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	Wow, after a year and a half, huh ? You gotta love persistence and this kind of tenacious spirit! Cant help it!

31st July 2006, 10:57 PM	#7
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	hi gene, i think you will outlive us all - you cant stop a determined man!! yes, the image does show more of that word, but i have a feeling he was looking for more. i will show it to him (in 2/3 weeks time when he visits me again) but i dont feel the slight additions will help. i am afraid the answers may yet unfold themselves, but from a different linguist - one more versed in old text.