Naval Caribbean rapier

Hotspur · Yesterday, 04:06 AM

Great stuff!

I have one of the French swords and have found a few more. It's super to have a good date for them.

Cheers
GC

Hotspur · Yesterday, 04:14 AM

David, of The Royal Sword shared his at one point and I saved that set

Hotspur · Yesterday, 04:28 AM

They are almost peas in a pod. The Rose hangers, from a century later are very similar

midelburgo · Yesterday, 09:52 PM

The pictures of the relic hilts from the 1724 galleon came from this Spanish 2019 pH D thesis (UNA INVESTIGACIÓN HISTÓRICO-ARQUEOLÓGICA. EL NAUFRAGIO DEL NAVÍO NUESTRA SEÑORA DE GUADALUPE Y SAN ANTONIO. FLOTA DE AZOGUES DE 1724, BAHÍA DE SAMANÁ, REPÚBLICA DOMINICANA).

https://repositorio.uam.es/bitstream...d565d/download

page 360.

I have found what appears a survivor from those French hilts. It has a Spanish blade with the no me saques motto, possibly from Barcelona, and the markings of the Spanish Royal Navy (RA).

I have not received yet the book By Noel Wells.

midelburgo · Yesterday, 10:21 PM

It is important to note that brass foundry was uncommon in Spain. In XVIth century most brass domestic items were brought from Germany. Bronze was often used instead.

So the weapons given by the French in the Sucession war were probably the first brass hilted weapons since the Granada moors were expelled (their ginetas had brass hilts).

Some years ago I bought at the city of Lerida the sword below. The hilt is that of the French dragoon 1695 model. From the blade (80cm) I have had some indications that it could be a much earlier Spanish blade (motto is INRI MARIA).

Lerida was often at the frontline in 1700-1714. Whole Spanish cavalry and dragoon regiments were equiped by the French, and with their own sword models, including the 1695. Also many French regiments were busy in the peninsula. I have seen the notice that volume number 26 (1980) of Armes Blanches Françaises by Aries, has an article on those units, but although I have Hoste and Petard books, I do not have that one. Maybe somebody can confirm this point. Petard, first volume, page 30, indicates cavalry had blades of 95-98cm and dragoons, with the same single "pontat" hilt, 80cm.

Hotspur · Today, 08:15 AM

The foundry information makes sense that the blade fitments often seem a second thought. Almost as if they were rebladed. A barrel of guards would ship well. Cast by the bushel.

Cheers
GC

Yesterday, 04:06 AM	#1
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 543	Great stuff! I have one of the French swords and have found a few more. It's super to have a good date for them. Cheers GC Attached Images

Yesterday, 04:14 AM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 543	David, of The Royal Sword shared his at one point and I saved that set Attached Images

Yesterday, 04:28 AM	#3
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 543	They are almost peas in a pod. The Rose hangers, from a century later are very similar Attached Images

Yesterday, 09:52 PM	#4
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 285	The pictures of the relic hilts from the 1724 galleon came from this Spanish 2019 pH D thesis (UNA INVESTIGACIÓN HISTÓRICO-ARQUEOLÓGICA. EL NAUFRAGIO DEL NAVÍO NUESTRA SEÑORA DE GUADALUPE Y SAN ANTONIO. FLOTA DE AZOGUES DE 1724, BAHÍA DE SAMANÁ, REPÚBLICA DOMINICANA). https://repositorio.uam.es/bitstream...d565d/download page 360. I have found what appears a survivor from those French hilts. It has a Spanish blade with the no me saques motto, possibly from Barcelona, and the markings of the Spanish Royal Navy (RA). I have not received yet the book By Noel Wells. Attached Images Last edited by midelburgo; Yesterday at 10:24 PM.

Yesterday, 10:21 PM	#5
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 285	It is important to note that brass foundry was uncommon in Spain. In XVIth century most brass domestic items were brought from Germany. Bronze was often used instead. So the weapons given by the French in the Sucession war were probably the first brass hilted weapons since the Granada moors were expelled (their ginetas had brass hilts). Some years ago I bought at the city of Lerida the sword below. The hilt is that of the French dragoon 1695 model. From the blade (80cm) I have had some indications that it could be a much earlier Spanish blade (motto is INRI MARIA). Lerida was often at the frontline in 1700-1714. Whole Spanish cavalry and dragoon regiments were equiped by the French, and with their own sword models, including the 1695. Also many French regiments were busy in the peninsula. I have seen the notice that volume number 26 (1980) of Armes Blanches Françaises by Aries, has an article on those units, but although I have Hoste and Petard books, I do not have that one. Maybe somebody can confirm this point. Petard, first volume, page 30, indicates cavalry had blades of 95-98cm and dragoons, with the same single "pontat" hilt, 80cm. Attached Images Last edited by midelburgo; Yesterday at 11:46 PM.

Today, 08:15 AM	#6
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 543	The foundry information makes sense that the blade fitments often seem a second thought. Almost as if they were rebladed. A barrel of guards would ship well. Cast by the bushel. Cheers GC Attached Images