Sword and dagger of the amir Abdel Kader

[Kubur]

Just for the pleasure:

the sword and the dagger of Abdel Kader.

They are not Algerian weapons, but probably Greek from Epirus / Ioannina.
Of course they are Ottomans!!!

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Just for the pleasure:

the sword and the dagger of Abdel Kader.

They are not Algerian weapons, but probably Greek from Epirus / Ioannina.
Of course they are Ottomans!!!

Kuber, any idea what museum they are in?

The Emir was France's former adversary in Algeria, an Algerian religious and military leader who led a struggle against the French colonial invasion in the mid-19th century. An Islamic scholar and Sufi who unexpectedly found himself leading a military campaign, he built up a collection of Algerian tribesmen that for many years successfully held out against one of the most advanced armies in Europe.

His consistent regard for what would now be called human rights, especially as regards his Christian opponents, drew widespread admiration, and a crucial intervention to save the Christian community of Damascus from a massacre in 1860 brought honours and awards from around the world.

Within Algeria, his efforts to unite the country against foreign invaders saw him hailed as the "modern Jugurtha" and his ability to combine religious and political authority has led to his being acclaimed as the "Saint among the Princes, the Prince among the Saints".

A well-known figure in both the Arab world and Europe, he had been imprisoned in France after surrendering but was eventually pardoned and released by Napoleon III while he was President of France. He was on his honour never again to act against French interests, and ended up living in Damascus with a large household, on a substantial French pension of 100,000 francs per annum.

[Kubur]

I'm not sure. I think the Army Museum in Paris...

[fennec]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Just for the pleasure:
They are not Algerian weapons, but probably Greek from Epirus / Ioannina.
Of course they are Ottomans!!!

Oh yes they are !! I mean, what is "ottoman"...? Just remember that, at this era, Algerian was the most feared navy man on mediteranean see. For most of european countris, "turkish", or "ottomans", was actually the algerian, when they wasn't called "barbary pirates".
What I want to aim, is that most of the weapons used by algerian at this era, even with an ottoman shape, was actually made localy, with a lot of typical local crafstmanship. You all know here the "algerian yatagan" with those particular handles, and even if a lot think those blade was all imported, this is not, and algeria, also inspired the ottoman art, as it was inspired by it.

For those two ones....

The saber is a FRENCH MADE, by the well known (at this time) "Monceau à Paris", copying the ottoman style. It was a gift made by the french king, to the Emir (yes, actually they was not only ennemies...). It is actually at "le musée de l'Empéri" in Salon-de-Provence.
Monceau Paris made another one (may be more) that is in another swedish or scottish museum, I've forgot. They was know for making such objects for diplomatical gifts, sometimes with oriental inspiration.

The knife : I dont think it is actually the one attributed to the emir. You right that this one isn't algerian... but... A LOT was also made in algeria, a point I've developped in my book (already too much talk about that book hahah.. But very close to share it with you all !! Inshallah ). Those are a bit different, no niello on hilt, no filigree work on the scabbard, only repoussé on both, with usually a floral decorativ scheme. Rarely those round maker marks. A lot of them are engraved with a mention that precise the algerian origin, but actully very few people noticed that.

PS.. Found it :

https://webmuseo.com/ws/musenor/app/...n/record/29693

Best regards.

[gp]

here some more pics on the emir.
By the way, it was by no means Ottoman but rather Maghreb / North African Arab and at that time part of France , invaded or occupied by France but hardly to none relation with the Ottoman Empfire but quite independent these tribes, similar and some part even of the tribes in Morocco , see for tribes
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=30898.
https://www.culturaldiversityresourc...-on-culture-57
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmazighPeop...rect/#lightbox
https://www.instagram.com/p/DPFAWiDDC4K/

for those interested I can adviuse this book by John W. Kiser :
Commander of the Faithful: The Life and Times of Emir Abd el-Kader (1808-1883)

website of the museum where the dagger can be found:
https://blogamv.canalblog.com/archiv.../38322681.html

info on him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Abdelkader

[gp]

another sold last year in New York USA