Sword 12/13 century or not?

Will M · 21st November 2025, 10:46 PM

We have two problems here, one is we tend to assume it's fake and secondly using digital photos online cannot tell us everything one needs to make a good assessment. Corrosion levels are dependent on a number of factors and we don't know this either. Expert research may be required.

ulfberth · Yesterday, 10:45 AM

This sword is a fake there is absolutely no doubth about it, some may need further hands on research but not this one.
XRF examination can show the composition of the alloys used in steel but nothing more, it can not show you if its original or not, it shows the composition of the steel.

Will M · Yesterday, 12:43 PM

I agree this is likely a modern sword that has been corroded to fake age. Straight edges have not lost any material and overall corrosion is even. The metal impurities would cause some uneven corrosion and loss that is not seen here. However stating it's fake without providing proof/reference isn't very helpful, it's interesting to know what you see that leads you to your conclusion.

ulfberth · Yesterday, 12:57 PM

yes i understand it is interesting, but I will never tell the fine details on an open forum because it will teach people with certain intentions what to do better and different next time they want make something like this.
The question was : fake or not. the answer is : fake !

serdar · Yesterday, 09:18 PM

Thank you all on coments, metal can be tested both from this sword or another one and then compared with sword found in tje same area that is prowen original example.

Regarding claims someting is fake, every one has right to his opinion and to claim what ever, BUT i agree with Will M if someone says that something is a fake but wont say why, becouse of what and give me a 100% accurate proofs of that, i wont even speeak about that, nor take that in acount, there are too many wolfs in sheeps skin, even on this forum, i learned that hard way.

And fraze "i wont write becouse someone can use that" is for small children, forgers work with museum curators, and they allready know those details if they exist.

And please, dont make argument from this or go in discussion.

Point is simple, if something is 100% fake, write, say, and Prove that with 100% evidences, only that is straight game and fair, everything else is wolf in shhep skin.

Thank you.

21st November 2025, 10:46 PM	#1
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 412	We have two problems here, one is we tend to assume it's fake and secondly using digital photos online cannot tell us everything one needs to make a good assessment. Corrosion levels are dependent on a number of factors and we don't know this either. Expert research may be required.

Yesterday, 10:45 AM	#2
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 443	This sword is a fake there is absolutely no doubth about it, some may need further hands on research but not this one. XRF examination can show the composition of the alloys used in steel but nothing more, it can not show you if its original or not, it shows the composition of the steel.

Yesterday, 12:43 PM	#3
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 412	I agree this is likely a modern sword that has been corroded to fake age. Straight edges have not lost any material and overall corrosion is even. The metal impurities would cause some uneven corrosion and loss that is not seen here. However stating it's fake without providing proof/reference isn't very helpful, it's interesting to know what you see that leads you to your conclusion.

Yesterday, 12:57 PM	#4
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 443	yes i understand it is interesting, but I will never tell the fine details on an open forum because it will teach people with certain intentions what to do better and different next time they want make something like this. The question was : fake or not. the answer is : fake !

Yesterday, 09:18 PM	#5
serdar Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Posts: 203	Thank you all on coments, metal can be tested both from this sword or another one and then compared with sword found in tje same area that is prowen original example. Regarding claims someting is fake, every one has right to his opinion and to claim what ever, BUT i agree with Will M if someone says that something is a fake but wont say why, becouse of what and give me a 100% accurate proofs of that, i wont even speeak about that, nor take that in acount, there are too many wolfs in sheeps skin, even on this forum, i learned that hard way. And fraze "i wont write becouse someone can use that" is for small children, forgers work with museum curators, and they allready know those details if they exist. And please, dont make argument from this or go in discussion. Point is simple, if something is 100% fake, write, say, and Prove that with 100% evidences, only that is straight game and fair, everything else is wolf in shhep skin. Thank you.